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[AccessBlaster]

Have you never questioned why you reject all liberal spin and embrace conservative truth?

Conservatives are the resistance, democrats have lost the ability to connect with average voters.

 

[Isaac]

Have you never questioned why you reject all liberal spin and embrace conservative truth?

If you had read my multiple posts about reading both sides of view each day because they both have something to offer, you wouldn't ask me that - you would know I don't reject all liberal spin. You, however, have proved you are brainwashed because you think anyone who doesn't agree with everything you say must be "maga", (whatever that is)

 

[Isaac]

The similarities in the PROPANDA for nazis and conservatives is there

Tsk, tsk. The similarities between people who obsess over the "need" to teach kindergartners sexual material, and pedophiles, is there, too.
But we are told not to make too much out of it.
That alone should make you want to vote Republican.
Or maybe you don't have kids?

 

[Thales750]

If you had read my multiple posts about reading both sides of view each day because they both have something to offer, you wouldn't ask me that - you would know I don't reject all liberal spin. You, however, have proved you are brainwashed because you think anyone who doesn't agree with everything you say must be "maga", (whatever that is)

Not True, and, I admit, "all" was too strong a word.
I don't say people have to agree with me in order to not be MAGA worshipers. I'm saying they should not be MAGA worshippers period.

What Liberal ideas have I defended?

My biggest problem with Conservative Propaganda is that it tells, and makes people believe, the the most egregious lie of all. The lie that Conservative Economic Policy is better for the country, or the people. In every way measurable way, that is the biggest lie in our political arena. It (the propaganda) it is repeated over and over and over. So when the dipshit Liberals are all fighting each other over their own personal brand of "what's the most important issue today", Conservatives are getting elected and tearing down the institutions designed to protect Americans from unscrupulous con-men and unregulated capitalism.

The next 4 years will reduce regulations of important stuff like pollution, and transfer even more wealth to the top. These are not liberal talking points, these are the things we live with everyday.

You'll see. Trumpland is coming for you.

 

[Thales750]

Tsk, tsk. The similarities between people who obsess over the "need" to teach kindergartners sexual material, and pedophiles, is there, too.
But we are told not to make too much out of it.
That alone should make you want to vote Republican.
Or maybe you don't have kids?

You have just proven everything I say.
Conservative Propaganda exist to create contempt that divides us, and Liberal Propaganda give Conservative something to be contemptuous of.
In the meantime, all the money is headed to the top. I don't blame Conservatives any more than I do Liberals. as a matter of fact, Liberals got him elected.

Y'all should be thankful.

 

[AccessBlaster]

Liberals got him elected.

Y'all should be thankful.

While true, what it shows is ordinary people are sick of the liberal nonsense.

 

[Thales750]

If you had read my multiple posts about reading both sides of view each day because they both have something to offer, you wouldn't ask me that - you would know I don't reject all liberal spin. You, however, have proved you are brainwashed because you think anyone who doesn't agree with everything you say must be "maga", (whatever that is)

One more thing, reading both sides everyday will not effect your personal bias. Cognitive ease makes it very difficult for us to be able to listen to views presented that are different from our own world view.

Aside from all of the technical, and scientific information I have pursued in the last 5 decades, Economics and Propaganda have been some of my biggest interest. Not the message, but the methods. The method hides the intent of all this propaganda.

The reason for me being so far away from Conservative views is that too much of what has been said by Conservative Talking Heads does not align with historical data.

Take two similar events that ended up with completely different outcomes.
The Great Depression and the Financial Sector Crash in 2008, commonly, erroneously, known as the Great Recession, it was not in fact a recession at all.

In the Financial Sector Crash in 1929 Conservative Ideology prevailed and the Government turned off the spicket. It took WWII 12 years later to release us from the grips of that Economic Monster.

In 2008, the Government did the opposite, the United States Federal Reserve pretty much led the World to recovery. The US was 2 years ahead of Europe and the rest of the World. These are the kinds of facts that I seek out.

in 2010 when I was commuting to DC to develop some software for the TSA, I listen to C-SPAN daily . They were interviewing all of the players in the 2008 collapse. The whole thing was brought about, basically, because of a lack of regulations by the SEC of the Derivatives Market.

Another great Conservative end-run against the people.

And then of course "Citizens United" and "Trickle Down". They don't talk about any of this stuff on "News". You want to know how Oil and Gas works, read their journals. In fact, business journals, medical journals, and technologies journals, give us a much better idea of what's actually happening.

So as much as I blame Liberals for their lack of cohesion, and as much as i don't agree with the lies being told by conservatives, I'm not closer to either one. They both are doing the bidding of the oligarchy puppet masters, and relieving us of our lunch money.

 

[Thales750]

While true, what it shows is ordinary people are sick of the liberal nonsense.

Right. What it tells you is, that MAGA brainwashing convinced "ordinary" people unable to comprehend the economic picture, that Democrats caused the inflations.

That's a good one.

 

[Thales750]

Conservatives are the resistance, democrats have lost the ability to connect with average voters.

Yup. Not the resistance part. That is also a propaganda tool. Make you the victim and and point the blame.

But yeah, lets focus on who is served by Dems losing touch with the common person. Who is benefiting?

 

[Isaac]

The lie that Conservative Economic Policy is better for the country, or the people.

Well, I for one don't necessarily believe that. As per our much earlier back and forth on the philosophy of economics, I just think Conservative Economic Policy is closer to the fair policy than liberal economic policy. And I want a mixture of "fair" and "good outcome" - with most of the weight tilting toward Fair.

I think more conservatives than you think think the same thing. In fact that's part of what defines conservative vs. liberal these days, it seems to me. Liberals are very outcome-focused, even if something is just fundamentally unfair to half the country. Conservatives place a higher premium on fairness and honesty - meaning you get the results of your own input, you don't get the benefits of other people's input.

Conservatives may find themselves frequently trying to publicly argue that their economic vision is "the best for everyone", but that's probably only because it's the palatable argument to the masses of have-nots. The real truth - that they're thinking inside the whole time - is, Really, I'm for this policy because it's the fair, honest policy, whether everyone ends up with 'free' daycare or not. ([ETC])

I don't want an economic policy that checks a lot of boxes to solve people's needs as much as I want one that's fair. After that, if it can be tweaked to solve people's individual problems, that's nice.

This is why you and I had to stop our back and forth at one point. Because your whole premise of the argument was different than my whole premise. Yours assumed I should most highly respect any policy that solved various peoples' problems. I wanted one that was honest and fair, whether it solved everyone's problems or not. Thus we didn't even enjoy the argument any more, we had too different of worldviews.

If, in your opinion, people who value fair consequences over solving-everyone's-needs are Fascists, then I suppose I am one.
If you mostly value the have-nots getting their needs/wants met over a fair return on inputs, then I suppose you are socialist.

 

[Isaac]

Have you never questioned why you reject all liberal spin and embrace conservative truth?

I didn't even start watching conservative media until about 3-4 years ago, and nothing changed in my basic beliefs.

Yes, I have questioned why. The main reason is because of my view on what should be the role of government and personal responsibility vs. the role of people who are governed. It has nothing to do with Fox News, which I only started watching circa 2020. I liked it because they bring on very smart people - like Vivek R. and Jonathan Turley - from whom I learn a lot

 

[Isaac]

One more thing, reading both sides everyday will not effect your personal bias

I disagree, it depends on the mindset of the reader. I've spent the last roughly 8 years highly engaged in activities designed to keep me both humble and open minded, which has caused me to change my opinion on some issues.
And I bet that by "bias" you really mean "beliefs", as people tend to confuse the two.

But the better answer to that statement is: No, it doesn't affect it, but it proves a lesser personal bias and proves a curiousity to challenge my own beliefs. In other words, it doesn't CAUSE my personal bias to be less, it proves that it already is

 

[AccessBlaster]

Yup. Not the resistance part. That is also a propaganda tool. Make you the victim and and point the blame.

But yeah, lets focus on who is served by Dems losing touch with the common person. Who is benefiting?

Let's focus on who got smoked in the last election and why?

 

[Thales750]

Let's focus on who got smoked in the last election and why?

The why is easy.

 

[AccessBlaster]

The why is easy.

The working class identified with Trump and MAGA and not with the coastal elites.

 

[AngelSpeaks]

The working class identified with Trump and MAGA and not with the coastal elites.

And he didn't have to blow his campaign war chest on the elites for their endorsement.

 

[Isaac]

I wish I was a celebrity. I just heard about this thing called Cameo, where a celebrity (or known person of some kind of fame) does a few second-video blip to 'promote' the person paying for it at $500 a pop. They say people have made $174k in the first month.

Dang it. Being famous has its perks - until of course someone accuses you of evidence-less type of thing and thanks to MeToo, your career is over based on nothing but the accusation. Ok, I changed my mind. I don't want to be famous.

 

[Thales750]

The working class identified with Trump and MAGA and not with the coastal elites.

You are using propaganda language. Almost as bad as Pat. Not even close as bad as Pat, sorry.

 

[AccessBlaster]

I wish I was a celebrity. I just heard about this thing called Cameo, where a celebrity (or known person of some kind of fame) does a few second-video blip to 'promote' the person paying for it at $500 a pop. They say people have made $174k in the first month.

Dang it. Being famous has its perks - until of course someone accuses you of evidence-less type of thing and thanks to MeToo, your career is over based on nothing but the accusation. Ok, I changed my mind. I don't want to be famous.

The biggest cameo this year was Oprah, she made a cameo because she's a capitalist. The million dollar gift helped Harpo Inc, not Kamala.

 

[AccessBlaster]

You are using propaganda language. Almost as bad as Pat. Not even close as bad as Pat, sorry.

The truth is now propaganda. You need to rationalized everything with either "propaganda or Nazis theory" to explain the massive rejection of socialism you experienced.