FYI re the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment

[RogerCooper]

Here evidence actually looks like.

Last year, in a park district election near me, the challenger won narrowly with in-person votes while losing absentee ballots by 5-1 margin. Elections for special districts are not conducted by the board of elections and do not follow the anti-fraud protocols of regular elections. Park districts control a significant number of patronage jobs.

The "weird things" you talking about don't hold up under any type of scrutiny, which is why courts kept on rejecting challenges to the 2020 election.

Note that Democrats did better in 2018 then they did in 2020. Do you have any concern about voter fraud by Republicans in 2020?

 

[RogerCooper]

Pat, you are claiming a large number of illegal alien registrations. Voter registries are a matter of public record. It would be easy to check if the registries contain illegal aliens. Republicans have checked the registries out and found plenty of voters who moved (or died) but not illegal aliens.

The publisher of "2,000 Mules" pulled the film after settling a defamation claim. https://apnews.com/article/2000-mules-film-apology-f1c2de96f17e72241761b4e6deaee5cb. The creator of the film, Dinesh D'Souza plead guilty to a felony in 2014. Pings from a cell-phone show people driving by, they provide no evidence of a "mules".

 

[RogerCooper]

And how would you do that, exactly? Where do you you get the information regarding their immigration status? Why are only Republicans concerned?

Anyone can get a driver's license. No notation is made that you are in the country illegally. Then you use the driver's license and a utility bill to verify your address when you register to vote except in the states that require proof of citizenship, in which case you need a birth certificate or Passport to prove your citizenship.

My daughter has been doing volunteer work for the local RNC and verifying voter rolls. What she has is name address, maybe a phone number and DOB. Nothing else. She started by sorting the list by age. Then she attempted to contact all the names of people over 100. Of the 30 names, all but 1 were confirmed dead, either by relatives or because she found an obituary. Then she moved to the 80-100 list which was larger. About 50% of those people were dead. Now she is left with random contacts to verify addresses of the THOUSANDS of other registered voters. I suppose if they answer the phone in a foreign language, she can ask them if they are illegal. Do you suppose they would answer honestly?

If the government were interested in keeping the lists clean, they would automatically wash the lists several times a year by comparing them to other government lists of taxpayers, SS payments, obituaries. People will always slip through the cracks but not in large enough numbers to matter. Some states actually do this. Connecticut's rolls are probably cleaner than most. I voted about 10 months after my husband died and his name was already gone. It made me sad but I was also reassured. It had never occured to me to report his death to the town so they must have gotten the information by list matching. Or maybe the Funeral Parlors in town automatically report to the registrar of voters.

If the government were really interested in keeping the lists clean, the DMV would collect actual immigration status and the 2020 census would have included the same citizenship question. I think older census' might have included one. It wouldn't be necessary to make non-citizens confess to illegal activity as the Democrats always insist. Simply citizen/non-citizen would suffice.

Once we can distinguish citizen from non-citizen we can have better control over voter lists and welfare recipients.


Please note that the DOJ made no attempt to take the information collected by the people behind the film. Apparently, one of the images they showed was an innocent man who was depositing multiple ballots. He says they were legimite so we will believe him. But that does not excuse the DOJ from not linking the geolocation tracking to actual people and comparing their photos to the people depositing multiple ballots in the middle of the night. This is a job that the DOJ has the resources to do but chose not to. They were too busy chasing down the tourists who wandered into the Capitol on Jan 6 - and they're still doing it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If the DOJ had bothered to investigate the evidence the film provided, they would be broadcasting the results night and day if the evidence was fraudulent and the ballot boxes weren't being stuffed with manufactured ballots

Isn't your daughter cross-checking against commercial mailing lists? Especially lists of people who moved. But what is the point? How many people would request a ballot in the name of a dead person in the hope of voting twice? It is big risk for extremely small gain.

Matching geolocation data to actual people requires a warrant. Does film describe any kind of particularized suspicion? If there were 2,000 people involved, you would expect somebody to come forward with some actual evidence.

Are you describing the Jan. 6 rioters as a tourists?

 

[RogerCooper]

They were not rejecting the lawsuits based on evidence. The flatly refused to look at the evidence because they couldn't take the risk of having to proceed with a trial. The lawsuits were mostly dismissed due to "lack of standing". Which essentially means that if the claimant can't prove direct harm then he can't sue. How can I prove that the Democrats cheating to elect Biden has harmed me even now. I know what he's done to cause inflation. I know what is idiotic foreign policy is doing to drag us into a hot war with Russia. Maybe when the nukes start falling out of the sky I could prove the cheating harmed me.

Who is going to pay for them? They are not free.

In Connecticut, we have to request a mail in ballot so although fraud is more difficult, it still isn't impossible. It is the states where ballots are distributed like beads at a Marti Gras parade where major fraud is encouraged. There is no other word for it. Democrats want to be able to cheat. Otherwise why fight to the death against any measures suggested to tighten up election controls?

Really? Tell that to the FBI as they track down people who were in the vicinity of DC on Jan 6th


Do you think any of them would come forward and confess? Yes, it was me. I was a mule carrying ballots being filled in at a safe house to a ballot box by the dozens.

Please give me a non-criminal opinion of why the same person could be on video more than once at different locations depositing multiple ballots in different ballot boxes in the middle of the night while wearing gloves to avoid getting fingerprints on the ballot envelopes. Just ONE non-criminal explanation. That's all.

What is the purpose of flooding a state with mail in ballots if it is not to encourage fraud? Mailing them to the residents of non-citizens. Mailing them to empty addresses. All that happens is there becomes a black market in ballots. The cheaters get a voter registration list - public information and then fill in the ballots. Most of states decided in 2020 to ignore signature verification? Why?

The results in 2018 were more favorable to the Democrats than 2020, despite much less use of absentee ballots. Did the looser rules help Republicans?

 

[Mike Krailo]

No one is complaining about 2018

 

[RogerCooper]

No one is complaining about 2018

Pat is saying that there was massive vote fraud in 2020 but the results were less favorable to the Democrats than 2018. Her evidence for massive fraud is poor quality images from a film made by a convicted felon. There are no direct witnesses to any of any of the supposed acts of vote fraud and for which some reason she connects to illegal aliens. Every court has rejected these claims. How could should massive multi-state operation took place without direct evidence?

But your are right to ask why is no one complaining about 2018. And you know the answer is that Trump lost office in 2020 and Trump always denies losing/going broke etc. Aren't the complaints about the outcome and not the process.

 

[Isaac]

It would be easy to check if the registries contain illegal aliens

Really? How would you do it?

 

[RogerCooper]

It wasn't until 2019 when the Democrats realized that Trump was probably going to win again that they started making their end runs around state laws and changing election rules illegally.

Stealing Federal Senate and House elections probably happens but it is harder to do because it requires far more people in far more locations. One here and there would be hard to prove. State and local seats are easier to steal. Presidential elections are easy to steal also as it turns out. The ballot blizzard in many states contributed to winning the popular vote but to win the electoral college vote required cheating in only 6 states and the swing was less than 40,000 votes total. So, who knows how many bogus ballots the Dems had to get into the counting center to make Biden the winner but Trump got a bigger percentage of votes than any other second term President in modern times. He picked up numbers of black and hispanic votes also. But somehow Biden won despite Trump's overall gains. There were also lots of other statistical anomalies that would lead people to question the results but they didn't want to. The Republicans probably hate Trump more than the Democrats do so none of them were inclined to back his claims about widespread cheating. They were just happy he was gone. Perhaps if you asked them privately today what they think, they might regret not standing up and demanding clean recounts. By the time most of them happened, all the voting machines had been purged and sufficient ballots were produced to account for the ones that the voting machines created.

lots of funny things like large bunches of ballots that were never folded. How did they get to the counting center if not in an envelope. Large bunches of ballots with only a vote for President -- Biden and all together in bunches. Funny, the same thing didn't happen for Trump. I guess large numbers of Dems only cared about Biden and although they took the time to get a ballot. Fill it out and mail it but not bother to vote in any of the down ballot contests. Hmmm.

Why would the Democrats think they were losing in 2020 when they were ahead in the polls and had in won in 2018? You are talking about the Democrats putting together a multi-state conspiracy? When did the Democrats gain such skill.

 

[RogerCooper]

Really? How would you do it?

Check if they are showing up in other records. Illegal aliens generally keep a low profile.

 

[Isaac]

Why would the Democrats think they were losing in 2020 when they were ahead in the polls and had in won in 2018? You are talking about the Democrats putting together a multi-state conspiracy? When did the Democrats gain such skill.

You sound like a mafia head disavowing knowledge of all the things his supporters did on his behalf with a wink and a nod.
What, me??! I never said "Kill him", show me the proof. Fortunately, they lock those people up all the time anyway

 

[Isaac]

Check if they are showing up in other records. Illegal aliens generally keep a low profile.

That's not a way at all. Try again