Getting Rid of the Electoral College Blight

Thales750 said:
I don't owe you anything. The recording of him bragging about being too smart to pay taxes is out there for you to see for yourself,
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Again, where's your proof. I'm not looking for anything to prove you correct. You made a damn statement, PROVE it.
 
Thales750 said:
That's not exactly the same, yours is watered down and you are still applying it to generalates.
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I am not sure what that means. But yes, applying a principle to be generalized across a situation to decide which direction to go is a pretty common and necessary strategic tool.
 
The_Doc_Man said:
I know our non-USA members and friends will not understand a lot of what happened.
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From way over here it seemed that one person, who seemed to be not very well liked or respected in the first place, ran an entirely negative campaign based on their views of the other candidate as a person and basically ignored the populace who were simply asking for basic things such as reductions in crime, stemming illegal immigration, creation of jobs and the squandering of tax dollars on things they saw as irrelevant to them.
The other person ran a campaign on promising the people they would address those very things.
This all may be a gross oversimplification, as we don't get that level of coverage of course but I was in no way surprised how this panned out.
 
Darrell said:
From way over here it seemed that one person, who seemed to be not very well liked or respected in the first place, ran an entirely negative campaign based on their views of the other candidate as a person and basically ignored the populace who were simply asking for basic things such as reductions in crime, stemming illegal immigration, creation of jobs and the squandering of tax dollars on things they saw as irrelevant to them.
The other person ran a campaign on promising the people they would address those very things.
This all may be a gross oversimplification, as we don't get that level of coverage of course but I was in no way surprised how this panned out.
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What this tells you is that the Democrats have a long ways to catch up to the power of Conservative propaganda. It also tells you that Democrats continuously destroy their own candidates by letting their emotions keep them from voting, they'll spend the next 4 years in denial.

As obstinate as Conservatives can be; they, at least, are trained to have a unified front. This it testimony to the extreme central control the Republican Leadership has over messaging.

Trump keeps it's base by being as contemptuous to liberals as possible, the Democrats lose their base because they don't understand the need for a unifying cause. They are willing to let Trump win, in order to punish Harris for perceived transgressions. Dems are relentless in their denial of this short coming.

The Dems lost to the worst possible candidate; twice. And they are still in denial.

Universal Health Care is the only plank that will carry the day, and it is sadly lacking from their platform.
 
The one time I'm actually trying to be serious... 😢:ROFLMAO:

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Thales750 said:
What this tells you is that the Democrats ..... Conservative propaganda.....

....Republican Leadership...

....liberals ...Democrats...
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Sorry - not trying to start an argument, but I literally do not know who you're referring to with all of these terms.

All I know is, in an election, all politicians spout bs and empty promises to get themselves elected. They may even have good intentions sometimes but ultimately they just want the sniff of power and to get paid.

And, as in South Park, quite often it comes down to a decision between a Turd Sandwich or a Giant Douche. But at least you get to have your say 😉

Thales750 said:
Universal Health Care is the only plank that will carry the day, and it is sadly lacking from their platform.
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Ah ok that was random...
 
DickyP said:
I am amused that a system (EC) invented to cater with the communication and travel problems of 200 plus years ago, which have long disappeared, still exists.
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You're not an American so there is no reason for you to understand the origin if this little quirk. What is sad is the number of Americans who have no clue what the provision is designed to counteract. They also don't understand how the Dems with their open border policies influence the EC in the same way that the 3/5 slave rule did when the EC was created. The number of electors assigned to each state is a function of their population. When the EC was envisioned, we didn't have millions of people living in the country who were not citizens and who could not vote or they would have added a provision similar to the 3/5 slaves and not counting certain indians. The Census does not identify citizen vs non-citizen, let alone illegal alien. Therefore, even illegal aliens carry the full weight of a citizen in the Census and so the more illegal aliens you can get into your state, the more Electors you can acquire. Luckily Electors are a zero-sum game and the number is fixed at 538 (I think) (one for each member of the House) + 100 (one for each Senator).
 
Thales750 said:
The Dems lost to the worst possible candidate; twice. And they are still in denial.
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Yes. You yourself prove that point. You think that the worst possible candidate won - but in fact, she lost.

Thales750 said:
What this tells you is that the Democrats have a long ways to catch up to the power of Conservative propaganda.
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See, that's where your viewpoint is flawed. The people spoke as they did in answer to this VERY SIMPLE question: Do you believe you are better off now than you were four years ago? Their answer was NO with a fairly wide distribution. Even the legal immigrants abandoned the Democrats because the Democrats abandoned them. When Kamala was asked in an interview if there were any Biden policies she would not follow, her answer was silence and a deer-in-the-headlights expression. Are you SO blinded that you cannot see her vacuous responses for the extreme incompetence they represent?
 
The_Doc_Man said:
Yes. You yourself prove that point. You think that the worst possible candidate won - but in fact, she lost.



See, that's where your viewpoint is flawed. The people spoke as they did in answer to this VERY SIMPLE question: Do you believe you are better off now than you were four years ago? Their answer was NO with a fairly wide distribution. Even the legal immigrants abandoned the Democrats because the Democrats abandoned them. When Kamala was asked in an interview if there were any Biden policies she would not follow, her answer was silence and a deer-in-the-headlights expression. Are you SO blinded that you cannot see her vacuous responses for the extreme incompetence they represent?
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I meant the worst possible out of the 330 million of us.
It's not flawed, inflation started in Trump's first term, the propaganda machine made everyone think it was do to the Biden administration. Trumpco is the best at those kinds of lies. He even made you people believe he was responsible for the recovery from the financial sector crash in 08. Trump is inheriting a recovering economy once again.
His first round of tariffs had unintended consequences which lead to considerable financial damage to several American industries. Now he wants to expand that. I hope he dose a better job this time at keeping smart folks on staff.
The Dems lost because they have no clue how create a decent message. It was expected though.

While you folks are getting saturated with conservative news I read reports from Oil and Gas, Aerospace, Robotics, and Financial Services. More power to him for pulling the great lies. If the Dems want to rise up again they will need to take some lessons from the Nixon Republicans.
 
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AccessBlaster said:
Yep, the DNC unfairly blocked Bernie in favor of Clinton in 2016. Then ran a coup against Biden, and DJT is the bad guy. :LOL:
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It's not either or. One being bad doesn't make the other better.

Truly Hillary should shoulder the blame for Democrats losing elections they should not have. We are still paying for her actions.

The only reason you hear my anti Trump rhetoric in here, is that it's dominated by cool aid drinks. Like hard core cool aid drinkers. Defend to the death cool aid drinkers,

I said it before, Trump deserves to be president, and I support him, but really because he won the popular vote. That was a big thing in so many ways. I think I will start a thread on the EC and why it should be disbanded. Hopefully the detractors will use some arguments with a little more cognition than I don't understand 6th grade history. This thread turned into people demonstrating frustration and contempt.

In a race to the bottom it should be difficult to take pride in winning.
 
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Pat Hartman said:
You're not an American so there is no reason for you to understand the origin if this little quirk. What is sad is the number of Americans who have no clue what the provision is designed to counteract. They also don't understand how the Dems with their open border policies influence the EC in the same way that the 3/5 slave rule did when the EC was created. The number of electors assigned to each state is a function of their population. When the EC was envisioned, we didn't have millions of people living in the country who were not citizens and who could not vote or they would have added a provision similar to the 3/5 slaves and not counting certain indians. The Census does not identify citizen vs non-citizen, let alone illegal alien. Therefore, even illegal aliens carry the full weight of a citizen in the Census and so the more illegal aliens you can get into your state, the more Electors you can acquire. Luckily Electors are a zero-sum game and the number is fixed at 538 (I think) (one for each member of the House) + 100 (one for each Senator).
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Exactly my point - what was the best compromise 200+ years ago could easily (technically that is, not politically) be replaced by a country wide consistent vote of all citizens.
 
DickyP said:
Exactly my point - what was the best compromise 200+ years ago could easily (technically that is, not politically) be replaced by a country wide consistent vote of all citizens.
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So, you're in favor of the tyranny of the majority? OK. The Democrats would love you.
 
Thales750 said:
What this tells you is that the Democrats have a long ways to catch up to the power of Conservative propaganda.
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What are you smoking? The Democrats control the media. They control the educational system. They control Hollywood. They control big tech. Twitter cancelled the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICIA. That is power.

They lost because America wasn't buying what they were selling.
 
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