Getting Rid of the Electoral College Blight

[AccessBlaster]

The liberals are whining "they don't have a "Elon or Rogan it's not fair" reality check they did.

 

[Isaac]

What are you smoking? The Democrats control the media. They control the educational system. They control Hollywood. They control big tech. Twitter cancelled the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICIA. That is power.

They lost because America wasn't buying what they were selling.

Amen! They already control 99.5% of the narrative delivery mechanisms.
Is it, perhaps, just MAYBE, time to consider that the message is wrong? Oh no, we could never do that. Must be we need more manipulative marketing!

 

[The_Doc_Man]

@Thales750

It's not either or. One being bad doesn't make the other better.

In the case where you used this phrase, you are half-right. One being bad ALSO doesn't make the other one worse.

Truly Hillary should shoulder the blame for Democrats losing elections they should not have. We are still paying for her actions.

Typical diversionary tactic. She lost EIGHT YEARS AGO. Get over it. She was in the pocket of Big Pharma. Her unsecured mail server was just another nail in her coffin. Unfortunately, by 2020, Big Pharma had another sucker (I mean candidate) to back.

The only reason you hear my anti Trump rhetoric in here, is that it's dominated by cool aid drinks. Like hard core cool aid drinkers. Defend to the death cool aid drinkers,

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Your anti-Trump rhetoric is because YOU drank Kamala's Kool-Aid. You keep on asking the wrong questions. Are we better off or worse off now than we were four years ago? Don't wait for my answer. The American people answers that question for you.

I said it before, Trump deserves to be president, and I support him, but really because he won the popular vote. That was a big thing in so many ways. I think I will start a thread on the EC and why it should be disbanded.

Do you somehow identify with John the Baptist? Except that you praise Papa Joe and Kamala and the tyranny of the majority.

Hopefully the detractors will use some arguments with a little more cognition than I don't understand 6th grade history. This thread turned into people demonstrating frustration and contempt.

I think the semantics of your first sentence is a bit off. Which could begin to explain why the second sentence is true.

In a race to the bottom it should be difficult to take pride in winning.

Not, apparently, for Kamala.

 

[AccessBlaster]

 

[Isaac]

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like she's blank because there is nothing?

 

[Steve R.]

Nowadays, 18 year Olds aren't old enough to do most things.

Universities come under fire for canceling classes, providing safe spaces to students upset by Trump's victory

Several U.S. universities are providing counseling, toys, treats and meditation services for students on campus who are stressed about the election.

www.foxnews.com

'We're headed down a very problematic path: universities are producing a generation that can't face the uncertainties and challenges of life,' Campus Reform correspondent Emily Sturge said

Georgetown University in Washington, D.C., drew mockery on social media after news broke the college invited students to a "self-care suite" on Wednesday to recover from the stress of the 2024 presidential election.

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[Steve R.]

Concerning the Electoral College, Dan Bongino made an excellent and very subtle point upholding the justification for the Electoral College.
Our nation is the United States and association of semi-independent states. As such, the United States was not created as "one" nation, but as an assemblage of (now) 50 (independent) states. Recall the 10th Amendment:

The Tenth Amendment (Amendment X) to the United States Constitution, a part of the Bill of Rights, was ratified on December 15, 1791 It expresses the principle of federalism, also known as states' rights, by stating that the federal government has only those powers delegated to it by the Constitution, and that all other powers not forbidden to the states by the Constitution are reserved to each state, or to the people.

The Electoral College was also designed to protect each state from "Tyranny of the majority". That concern is still valid today.
Unfortunately, many people today perceive the nation as simply being a "democracy" (forgetting that the US is a republic) and who also don't think about the implications of the "Tyranny of the majority". Furthermore, over the years, the federal government has been "seizing" governance power from the states.

 

[Thales750]

Concerning the Electoral College, Dan Bongino made an excellent and very subtle point upholding the justification for the Electoral College.
Our nation is the United States and association of semi-independent states. As such, the United States was not created as "one" nation, but as an assemblage of (now) 50 (independent) states. Recall the 10th Amendment:

The Electoral College was also designed to protect each state from "Tyranny of the majority". That concern is still valid today.
Unfortunately, many people today perceive the nation as simply being a "democracy" (forgetting that the US is a republic) and who also don't think about the implications of the "Tyranny of the majority". Furthermore, over the years, the federal government has been "seizing" governance power from the states.

The states are represented in Congress, The President's responsibility is to the People of the United States, all of them.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

The states are represented in Congress, The President's responsibility is to the People of the United States, all of them.

Yes, the states are equal to each other in the Senate. Two senators each. They are more population-oriented in the House of Representatives. But the Electoral College is there to force a balance between population centers and less populated areas that nonetheless have serious needs as well. The EC is meant to level out that disparity. Your plan would PERMANENTLY screw the states with smaller populations because they could NEVER outvote the population centers. Don't you see that this is a "check and balance" situation? AND it still exists as a threat to undermine the balancing act that prevents the population center from sucking all monetary resources dry. This result would be an example of the tyranny of the majority. If you can't see that, you are not paying attention.

 

[Thales750]

Yes, the states are equal to each other in the Senate. Two senators each. They are more population-oriented in the House of Representatives. But the Electoral College is there to force a balance between population centers and less populated areas that nonetheless have serious needs as well. The EC is meant to level out that disparity. Your plan would PERMANENTLY screw the states with smaller populations because they could NEVER outvote the population centers. Don't you see that this is a "check and balance" situation? AND it still exists as a threat to undermine the balancing act that prevents the population center from sucking all monetary resources dry. This result would be an example of the tyranny of the majority. If you can't see that, you are not paying attention.

Maybe in a horse riding, no internet, agrarian, world you might have a point. As it is, whatever it takes to force every person in this country to abide by your world vision. The EC on serves Conservatives and their world vision. Nobody is telling the people in Wyoming what to do, they are telling the people in Chicago how to live.

Remember in the 1970/80s when the NRA put up the billboards. They called it a slippery slope to gun confiscation. It was a slippery slope alright. A slope to huge increases in gun ownership and keeping old law on the books about not having to register a gun at a trade show.

I own guns, I'm a Texan, this is not about gun ownership, it's about the insane level brainwashing the goes own by the Conservatives.
In the last Trump cycle he got his worshipers to send him money (hundreds of millions) for a "legal fund" .

A legal fund to supposedly to protect him from a voting fraud pandemic, that was nothing but a rumor he started. Now he has your money, and you all voted for him again.


Rush Lambeau must be standing in in the sulfur fumes cheering you folks on. I think I will start a thread on predictions for this next administration.

 

[AccessBlaster]

Maybe in a horse riding, no internet, agrarian, world you might have a point. As it is, whatever it takes to force every person in this country to abide by your world vision. The EC on serves Conservatives and their world vision. Nobody is telling the people in Wyoming what to do, they are telling the people in Chicago how to live.

Remember in the 1970/80s when the NRA put up the billboards. They called it a slippery slope to gun confiscation. It was a slippery slope alright. A slope to huge increases in gun ownership and keeping old law on the books about not having to register a gun at a trade show.

I own guns, I'm a Texan, this is not about gun ownership, it's about the insane level brainwashing the goes own by the Conservatives.
In the last Trump cycle he got his worshipers to send him money (hundreds of millions) for a "legal fund" .

A legal fund to supposedly to protect him from a voting fraud pandemic, that was nothing but a rumor he started. Now he has your money, and you all voted for him again.


Rush Lambeau must be standing in in the sulfur fumes cheering you folks on. I think I will start a thread on predictions for this next administration.

Wow, so much to choose from.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Maybe in a horse riding, no internet, agrarian, world you might have a point.

In ANY nation that has rural and urban areas and is large enough for them to be in different voting districts, I have a point. But for the record (a) riding a horse can be fun, (b) modern cowboys ride a pickup truck, (c) it isn't their fault that network carriers have poor service in their areas, (d) without agrarian segments in this country, you would either starve or pay $50 for a loaf of bread.

The EC on serves Conservatives and their world vision. Nobody is telling the people in Wyoming what to do, they are telling the people in Chicago how to live.

You CLEARLY do NOT understand that the EC ONLY selects the president and vice-president. CONGRESS makes the laws. The ONLY power that the president has regarding "telling people what to do" is the power to nominate judges into empty judicial seats.

It was a slippery slope alright.

The bulk of that comment related to issues in gun control. We have ALREADY slid down the slippery slope. All the state and federal gun laws are likely to fall when placed under strict scrutiny. If you read the U.S. Constitution and understand the meanings of the words used at the time of its original creation, the "militia" is "the people who gather together to defend the country" - not some military group that is called a "state militia." "Well-regulated" means "adequately equipped." The "right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" is where the slippery slope has occurred. State and federal gun control laws currently on the books are ALL unconstitutional. The logical path for that is to first read the 2nd amendment and then to read the 2nd paragraph of article VI:

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

Any laws in any state that would have the effect of infringing on the right to keep and bear arms is in violation of the Constitution. There is a way to gun control but not the way it is being done. You want to control guns? Amend the 2nd amendment. NO OTHER METHOD IS LEGAL (under article VI). I'm not saying we can't pass restrictive gun laws -but I AM saying the way it is being done is totally wrong. And as a result, we have inferior courts and individual state legislatures defying the rulings of the Supreme Court. THERE is your slippery slope - defying the orders and rulings of the highest court in the land and thus diluting the importance of the rule of law.

Rush Lambeau must be standing in in the sulfur fumes cheering you folks on.

Rush Limbaugh, being dead (and me believing as I do), isn't standing anywhere. He's dead and gone, but at least some of his message lives on. It lives on enough to still bother you years after his death. Which means his message WAS effective to at least some degree. Be nice about old Rush. And learn to spell his name correctly if you are going to invoke his memory.

Have you never heard the advice that Brutus gave to the Roman Senate when addressing them? Nihil nisi bonum de mortibus. Say nothing but good of the dead. Go ahead and rail against the wind (the winds of change, in this case). Or consider the advice of that more modern philosopher Jim Croce, whose advice (slightly modified for effect) is...

You don't tug on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask off that old lone ranger
And you don't mess around with Don

Recognize that the country has had enough woke insanity. It has had enough overzealous Executive Branch regulations. It has had enough of government overreach. It has had enough of government inaction at the border. The pendulum has swung in the other direction and will stay that way for at least a little while. Live with it.

 

[AccessBlaster]

A legal fund to supposedly to protect him from a voting fraud pandemic, that was nothing but a rumor he started. Now he has your money, and you all voted for him again.

On the upside we got rid of Dumb and Dumber

 

[The_Doc_Man]

On the upside we got rid of Dumb and Dumber

Can we tell which one was which?

 

[Steve R.]

In the last Trump cycle he got his worshipers to send him money (hundreds of millions) for a "legal fund" .

Trump was and continues to be a victim of aggressive Democratic instigated lawfare. That (Trump) money may be well spent compared to how frivolously Harris spent her campaign money. The Harris worshipers gave Harris approximately $1 Billion dollars to win an election. Evidently that campaign money just evaporated. The donors just lost all that money in a failed election.

Did the Harris-Walz Campaign End Up $20 Million in Debt After Raising Over $1 Billion?

Megyn and Batya Ungar-Sargon react to reports that the Harris-Walz campaign is $20 million in debt.

www.megynkelly.com

Not only did Kamala Harris lose the presidential race in a landslide to Donald Trump, but her campaign reportedly ended in the red. Several outlets are citing sources close to the vice president’s campaign who say it is $20 million in debt.

So what happened to this money? Was this an example of typical Democratic financial corruption? There have been accusations that it was not used for legitimate campaigning expenses but to pad the wallets of cronies and celebrities.

According to Boyle’s source, Harris campaign chairwoman Jen O’Malley Dillon blew through money on rallies that doubled as “concerts” with the likes of Katy Perry, Lizzo, Eminem, and Bruce Springsteen at the expense of “prioritizing and spending money on social media and other campaign priorities.” While it is unclear if the campaign paid the talent, the staffer said the production costs were “immense.”

How Kamala Harris plowed through $1 billion - Washington Examiner

The story of how Kamala Harris pocketed record sums while failing to gain support from voters will be studied by campaigns for decades to come.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

 

[AccessBlaster]

Where did the money go?

• Taylor Swift
• John Legend
• Beyoncé
• Julia Roberts
• Carole King
• Megan Thee Stallion
• Quavo
• Christie Brinkley
• Cynthia Nixon
• Justin Vernon (Bon Iver)
• Jon Bon Jovi
• Bruce Springsteen
• Oprah Winfrey

Just a partial list, I'm guessing some of these folks were paid.

 

[Steve R.]

Just ran across the article below.

Report: Kamala Harris Blew $20 Million on Election-Eve Concerts with Lady Gaga, Katy Perry in Swing States Where Trump Beat Her

Amid the stunning revelation that Kamala Harris' unsuccessful presidential campaign ended up $20 million in the red, despite raising $1 billion from donors, a new report has found that the rock concerts that her campaign staged on the night before the election -- featuring Lady Gaga, Katy Perry...

www.breitbart.com

In the end, the Kamala Harris campaign staged seven swing-state concerts on election eve, including performances by Jon Bon Jovi in Detroit, Christina Aguilera in Las Vegas, Katy Perry in Pittsburgh, and Lady Gaga in Philadelphia.

All of those swing states ended up in President-elect Donald Trump’s win column on Election Day.

Guess those concerts were not cost effective.

In addition to the election-eve concerts, the campaign held celebrity events with Lizzo, Eminem, and others — which were reportedly “all Jen’s idea,” the campaign staffer explained.

“Jen blew through a billion dollars in a few months, and it was all Jen’s idea to do all the concerts,” the campaign staffer said.

 

[AccessBlaster]

 

[Isaac]

Maybe in a horse riding, no internet, agrarian, world you might have a point.

No, his point is made perfectly well based on the concept of locations with sparser versus denser populations - something very much a characteristic of the modern day. You're just not seeing the point. Has nothing to do with riding horses

 

[Pat Hartman]

The EC on serves Conservatives and their world vision.

Wow. Talk about prescient. Who knew the founders could foresee the ascendency of a "Conservative" movement 250 years into the future. I guess they weren't just stupid old men who owned slaves.