Getting Rid of the Electoral College Blight (2 Viewers)

[AccessBlaster]

The Electoral College has become slanted away from the people's choice. It is no longer useful. If it was leaning towards Democrats the outrage would be thousands of times larger than it is now.

Your issue is with our constitutional republic, not with the Electoral College. The system is running as designed, you just don't like the results.

 

[Thales750]

A side note for Jon, who believes that voting is futile:

The punishment suffered by the wise who refuse to take part in the government, is to live under the government of bad men. - Plato

A direct note for Thales750:

How exactly does that apply to Texas ending it's winner take all voting? If we were to constantly steel the 5 million vote from Republicans would you defend it?

On second reading it sounds like you are advocating that Texas take this power away from the entrenched Republicans. If so, I agree.

 

[Thales750]

Texas is unique in the big states. All the other high population states are more or less one way or the other. Texas is clearly purple.

Sadly Texas elected government had done such a great job of jerrymandering that it is difficult to wrestle power from them.

Here is a chart of the travesty that Texas winner take all is about. Even if it switches to the left, then we should still split the the votes. 5 million people in our great state should not have their votes changed to support the opposition.

Purple Mountain Majesty

 

[Thales750]

Your issue is with our constitutional republic, not with the Electoral College. The system is running as designed, you just don't like the results.

Not true.( the part about me not liking the results) In Texas the demographics do not support your assertion at all. It is 100% incorrect. Texas is not a red state, but it always votes red.
This is a flaw in Texas law, not US law. Other states can do what they want. Generally the states are better off combining their votes, and as swing states they are also able to have more power with the policies of the candidates.

Once again, Texas is unique. I only brought this up to give all of you a chance to criticize me, and throw accusation my way.

I won this debate before it ever got started. No one has a say in this except Texans. The rest of you want statis quo because without Texas, conservatives would have to become less extreme, and actually do something beside sow contempt.

It's time we took back our state.

 

[AccessBlaster]

"Texas has the authority to change its winner-take-all approach to allocating Electoral College votes. The U.S. Constitution gives states the power to determine how their electors are chosen, so each state legislature has the ability to modify its electoral rules if it chooses."

You just need to get busy..

 

[Thales750]

"Texas has the authority to change its winner-take-all approach to allocating Electoral College votes. The U.S. Constitution gives states the power to determine how their electors are chosen, so each state legislature has the ability to modify its electoral rules if it chooses."

You just need to get busy..

I know, right?

I just brought this up to stir the pot. I've been away for awhile.

 

[AccessBlaster]

We were in Texas about a year ago visiting family, our family member who was driving us around kept complaining about ALL the Republican yard signs in their neighborhood. I silently smirked to myself, it made me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

The Electoral College has become slanted away from the people's choice.

YOU ARE NOT LISTENING. The "People's Choice" devolves into the "tyranny of the majority" all too fast. The entire concept of "checks and balances" is intended to prevent someone from taking office who doesn't have some appeal to the whole country, rather than just the population centers. The EC is intended to stop the tyranny of the majority. The constant yammering of the idiots who want the government to give them more, more, more HAS to be silenced. Because whether the government just starts printing more money or whether they get the more, more, more by TAXING us more, more, more... either way is TOTALLY unacceptable.

 

[Thales750]

YOU ARE NOT LISTENING. The "People's Choice" devolves into the "tyranny of the majority" all too fast. The entire concept of "checks and balances" is intended to prevent someone from taking office who doesn't have some appeal to the whole country, rather than just the population centers. The EC is intended to stop the tyranny of the majority. The constant yammering of the idiots who want the government to give them more, more, more HAS to be silenced. Because whether the government just starts printing more money or whether they get the more, more, more by TAXING us more, more, more... either way is TOTALLY unacceptable.

You are describing congress, you know, the law makers and purse string holders.

I'm not the one not listening, or doing the assuming.

But if you and the rest of the conservatives have their way, all power, the writing of laws, and the control of the money will be in the hands of the capitalist.

Oh wait, it already is.

The laws are written by the lobbyist, and the politicians are owned by the same elite financiers. All that, thanks to the crown being empowered by Citizens United.

Another great Conservative brainwashing scheme.

 

[Thales750]

We were in Texas about a year ago visiting family, our family member who was driving us around kept complaining about ALL the Republican yard signs in their neighborhood. I silently smirked to myself, it made me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

It depends on where you are, ignorance coalescences you know.

 

[AccessBlaster]

You are describing congress, you know, the law makers and purse string holders.

I'm not the one not listing, or doing the assuming.

But if you and the rest of the conservatives have their way, all power, the writing of laws, and the control of the money will be in the hands of the capitalist.

Oh wait, it already is.

The laws are written by the lobbyist, and the politicians are owned by the same elite financiers. All that, thanks to the crown being empowered by Citizens United.

Another great Conservative brainwashing scheme.

And here I was thinking Republicans had the monopoly on conspiracies!

 

[Thales750]

And here I was thinking Republicans had the monopoly on conspiracies!

Only if you are referring to the imaginary ones. .

It's pretty common knowledge that the lobbyist write most of the important laws and regulations. You know, the laws that transfer more wealth up the puppet strings. And the puppets that do the best dance are the ones that make people believe that a weaker federal government means more liberties for the everyday person. Which is the most incredible incomprehensible ethos in human history, made possible by the Citizens United case. Maybe not as incomprehensible as white southern share cropper going to war to defend the right of rich folks to have cheep slave labor.

Down here, in Chemical Alley, we know first hand how much damage unregulated business can visit upon the people. It's no coincidence that the world's premier cancer center is located right here in Houston Texas.

This is the root of almost all or our government malfunction, this what has robbed us of our personal power.

Citizens United, the ultimate conspiracy.

 

[Pat Hartman]

If it was leaning towards Democrats the outrage would be thousands of times larger than it is now.

What are you smoking? Republicans don't burn down cities and destroy lives and businesses. They don't "occupy" property that isn't theirs. That is what Democrats do.

The Electoral College isn't designed to favor one party or another. In fact, parties didn't exist in the early years of our Republic. The EC is designed to minimize the tyranny of the majority. You know those mobs of Democrats wearing masks who rampage through our cities every time they are unhappy about something.

You listen to conservative brainwashing exclusively, and you honestly believe you are enlightened.

You are being lied to and you bought in totally. Any time someone offers a negative opinion of Trump, you are right there on the "believe all Trump haters" train. Has it never occurred to you that you might be lacking in the critical thinking part of your brain. You can't distinguish between the rational and the irrational. If someone said he was keeping little boys in his basement for amusement, you would be the first to retweet the lie.

There are no worse victims than MAGA.

Does that make you the oppressor

Just FYI, MAGA people don't think of themselves as oppressed. Only Democrats divide the world into the Oppressed vs the Opressors.

 

[Pat Hartman]

Citizens United, the ultimate conspiracy.

We're going to have to agree on that one. Also on the corruption of Congress and the deep state.

 

[moke123]

Republicans don't burn down cities and destroy lives and businesses. They don't "occupy" property that isn't theirs.

Where would anyone ever get an idea like that?

Btw, They installed a memorial for your Hostages.

Scatological ‘memorial’ to Jan. 6 turns heads on the National Mall - Roll Call

Reaction to the poop-themed display from locals and tourists was mixed. While some approved of it or laughed, others pooh-poohed it.

rollcall.com

 

[Steve R.]

Just to add some off-beat humor to this discussion. The Electoral College, one could say was an early form of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI). Giving the disenfranchised (the rural communities) and equal voice in society. Supporters of DEI should be embracing the concept of the Electoral College!

 

[moke123]

Just to add some off-beat humor to this discussion. The Electoral College, one could say was an early form of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI). Giving the disenfranchised (the rural communities) and equal voice in society.

I suppose you could also equate it to affirmative action.

 

[Pat Hartman]

Where would anyone ever get an idea like that?

Where is the fire? Who "occupied" anything? Look at the videos of the tourists wandering the halls. Keep spreading this lie. And NEVER, EVER review all the prior "invasions" of the Capitol building and who was behind them. When Trump is elected, the Jan 6th committee members will be prosecuted for destroying evidence. Last I checked that was an actual crime unlike "parading".

 

[AccessBlaster]

BTW, if Trump was guilty of insurrection why did The J6 committee go through extreme steps to delete their own findings? Maybe because they knew giving Republicans access to the records would expose their lawfare?

 

[Steve R.]

Where is the fire? Who "occupied" anything? Look at the videos of the tourists wandering the halls. Keep spreading this lie. And NEVER, EVER review all the prior "invasions" of the Capitol building and who was behind them. When Trump is elected, the Jan 6th committee members will be prosecuted for destroying evidence. Last I checked that was an actual crime unlike "parading".

@moke123: As an add-on, both Harris and Walz endorsed rioting looting any mayhem. Harris, the supposed aggressive law &order prosecutor help set-up a bail fund to bail the rioters out of jail. So you want to elect those who support rioting, looting, and mayhem?