Gun laws do they work

I didn't get a reply to what I thought a reasonable post. Not the one to Brian that was just a little bit of fun.

I did expect radikal5 would have sent something.
Now that Dick7 has joined in agreement maybe he could have a go at answering.
 
I didn't get a reply to what I thought a reasonable post. Not the one to Brian that was just a little bit of fun.

I did expect radikal5 would have sent something.
Now that Dick7 has joined in agreement maybe he could have a go at answering.

RainLover...you probably won't..."ain't nobody got time for that" lol
any scenario will probably be considered apples and oranges...the playing field will never be quite the same, i.e. always a different variable to be considered...

with that being said i can only go on what i see and experience...I live in VA...apprx 25 minutes from DC the area i live in is the DMV ( DC, MD, and VA) i can not honestly fathom the thought of things changing that drastically within 20 miles to warrant strict laws on one side and not the other. :confused: Now...in areas like chicago and the seriously criminally infested areas where there are constant drive by shootings, and areas are labeled murder capitals, how about start there.
the stats that are being delivered are not coming from acts being committed by legal gun owners...the numbers are severely skewed...
you want to have an avid effect on guns, concentrate in these criminally infested areas. because in all honesty, any law that is passed down will have no real affect on the criminals...they will still be able to get any gun they like, meanwhile, the normal citizen will have that same gun taken away.

AND...with each passing day, as this country continues to get worse, the need for a weapon will become more and more evident (don't believe me, just watch)...soon, there will only be two realistic groups to be concerned with...the haves and the have nots...the others will be of minimal consequence...
 
I didn't get a reply to what I thought a reasonable post. Not the one to Brian that was just a little bit of fun.

I did expect radikal5 would have sent something.
Now that Dick7 has joined in agreement maybe he could have a go at answering.

No way!!! When I was laid up with my operation and my arm in a sling I though it might be interesting to weight in. for some stupid reason I though that the all the people on this forum would discuss facts, but liberals are liberals first and facts are irrelevant. Here I was in pain pecking away with one finger and people want to attack my grammar my spelling, my motive, call me names, every thing except the facts. I have too many db projects to work on to play name games.
 
what's crazy is that the cities with the toughest laws/bans have some of the highest crime rates...if i'm a criminal, i'm going to be where i know the pickings are easy...DC is a great example...as well as Chicago...

radikal5

You introduced this into discussion yet you don't wish to discuss it or defend it in any shape or form.

I fell that that is strange.
 
No way!!! When I was laid up with my operation and my arm in a sling I though it might be interesting to weight in. for some stupid reason I though that the all the people on this forum would discuss facts, but liberals are liberals first and facts are irrelevant. Here I was in pain pecking away with one finger and people want to attack my grammar my spelling, my motive, call me names, every thing except the facts. I have too many db projects to work on to play name games.

No Problem.

I get called heaps of stuff here in the water cooler which I don't care about.

When it is a real post then I take things seriously.
 
radikal5

You introduced this into discussion yet you don't wish to discuss it or defend it in any shape or form.

I fell that that is strange.

um, you did see my "LOL" after that comment correct"

did you NOT read any of my additional comments?? i'm guessing you didn't
please go back and read/re-read, and THEN comment :banghead:
 
Dick7

but liberals are liberals first and facts are irrelevant.

What do you class a Liberal as. In my neck of the woods they are the anti Socialist, Right Wing of Government, Then we have the Left wing who are the Socialists. They are the Labor Party. Big spenders by giving money away and supporting the various minorities. So we just end up deeper and deeper in debt.
 
This will forever be an ongoing argument...meanwhile criminals are saying oh hell yeah, get rid of the guns :)
I definitely do not think that everyone needs to have a gun..that's just ridiculous. but i do think those that are legally able and capable of owning a gun should have one. I don't mind a wait period because I'm in no hurry to shoot anyone. Thorough background checks SHOULD be implemented, that's NOT an infringement on the 2nd amendment...

what's crazy is that the cities with the toughest laws/bans have some of the highest crime rates...if i'm a criminal, i'm going to be where i know the pickings are easy...DC is a great example...as well as Chicago...

Your smilie was attached to your first sentence. Not the whole post. How you you expect me to know what is what. So with that been said there is nothing that I can see in my reply needs changing.

You can't just place one smilie and use that as an out to say that you really did not mean it. If you are going to say something in jest be prepared to explain yourself or don't post anything.
 
I also do not think that the post was in jest after the smilie, however I agree that the criminals will go where the pickings are easiest, they will also shoot first and ask questions later if the general public are armed.

You admit, elsewhere, that the country is going down the pan, and your answer , do nothing least of all try to get things under control.

Brian
 
No way!!! When I was laid up with my operation and my arm in a sling I though it might be interesting to weight in. for some stupid reason I though that the all the people on this forum would discuss facts, but liberals are liberals first and facts are irrelevant. Here I was in pain pecking away with one finger and people want to attack my grammar my spelling, my motive, call me names, every thing except the facts. I have too many db projects to work on to play name games.

So when do you get the sling off so that things may improve?:rolleyes:

Col
 
After logging out last night I watched a TV documentary "America and its guns" , scary, and it was very clear that to the gun lobby gun control equated to gun ownership abolition. It was pointed out that at the thingy Hook school massacre some students escaped whilst the shooter was reloading, however as he had high capacity magazines that was not frequent.

Will the Americans ever get any sense, it appeared doubtful.
Perhaps we need a new thread where they can explain why they simultaneously beat the drum for their democracy which they try to force onto other nations, and yet are scared of or don't trust their government ?!

Brian
 
After logging out last night I watched a TV documentary "America and its guns" , scary, and it was very clear that to the gun lobby gun control equated to gun ownership abolition. It was pointed out that at the thingy Hook school massacre some students escaped whilst the shooter was reloading, however as he had high capacity magazines that was not frequent.

Will the Americans ever get any sense, it appeared doubtful.
Perhaps we need a new thread where they can explain why they simultaneously beat the drum for their democracy which they try to force onto other nations, and yet are scared of or don't trust their government ?!

Brian

ok, you have one who is against gun control, from the south. No we do not trust our gov. they are trying to be like you gov. but the again I don't who or were from I am talking to. Guns do not kill people. People do.

Have a nice day :)

Bladerunner
 
don't know who I am talking to or where you are from... Sorry for the bad grammar, got in a hurry.
 
Well I always thought it was the bullets that killed. Perhaps there should be tighter control on ammunition.

Nobody who has any moral thinking wants to see a lot of innocent children gun down.
Some have no moral thinking and they would as soon kill kids as adults, ether with guns (bullets) or with a bowling ball, as just happened recently in the news.
There are at least two thoughts on how to stop this.
The old old question???
Some want to take guns way from everybody.

The group that wants to keep their guns say that will help one bit, as the group that kills will get guns anyway and the good guys will be less able to protect themselves, and the answer is to incarnate more people. At this point I am not sure myself that would help much.

Instead of what side is right, I suggest both sides might be wrong.
 
One of the reasons that this thread will rumble on is that people discuss different issues, mainly caused by the fact that gun supporters equate gun control with the abolishion of gun ownership.

What I don't understand is why anybody feels the need for an arsenal of automatic or semi automatic assault weapons and hundreds of rounds of ammunition.

Brian

Gun control is but one step in the process as it was in Australia and England.

While I grew up with guns, I have always used them either for protection or food. Protection was from living in the woods where wild dogs, snakes etc. also live. But really when it comes down to it, it is not the banning of the guns nor the ammunition.

You see, my home is America and I live in the southern area within its borders. Here as well as in all 50 states, there is a piece of paper called the "Bill of Rights". It consists of 10 amendments which comprise the first part of our constitution. These 10 amendments limit the power of our government thus giving 'we the people' our rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

One of these rights is the right to own and bear arms. This what it is all about, "FREEDOM". Your nations have already given up a whole lot of liberties that you will never get back. There is in the U.S., a Liberal (far left) ideology, that has determined that we the conservative, independents and all other minorities need them to tell us how to live. We are determined that not one liberty given to us by the constitution will be taken away. That is what this fight over guns is all about and nothing more. For two hundred-30+ years we have lived in this country growing up with God, guns and moms' apple pie without their progressive laws, political correctness,bigotry and racial innuendos. We do not need them now.

Example:
There is a 16 county area of Colorado that want to secede from the state and form their own state. Why, because the liberals have an anything-goes rule and they have open the door to drugs, gangs, etc. They also charge the 16 counties (mostly conservatives) an outrageous amount of taxes while the city goers have very little. Now, there are only three ways to alleviate this problem. 1. with negotiations to remove some of the tax burden, 2. move to another county or state and give them the land you worked for all your life or 3. secede from the state and make your own.

There are presidencies for this secession and I believe it can be done at this time without any bloodshed. However, if the liberals succeed in gaining a one party political system, a civil war will probably be forth coming in the near future, hopefully long after I am gone. Our Liberties, the "Bill of Rights" and the Constitution have much blood on them. Freedom is not cheap nor is it easy to keep. I think this is why everyone is (conservatives) or 60+% of the nation is buying up guns and ammunition right now at a pace faster than the manufacturers can make it. Lets hope they never have to use them.



Have a nice day:)

Bladerunner
 
After logging out last night I watched a TV documentary "America and its guns" , scary, and it was very clear that to the gun lobby gun control equated to gun ownership abolition. It was pointed out that at the thingy Hook school massacre some students escaped whilst the shooter was reloading, however as he had high capacity magazines that was not frequent.

Will the Americans ever get any sense, it appeared doubtful.
Perhaps we need a new thread where they can explain why they simultaneously beat the drum for their democracy which they try to force onto other nations, and yet are scared of or don't trust their government ?!

Brian


Had you really rather that we be isolationist. Probably like the ones in my country so many years ago that allowed a people (6 Million) to be slaughtered by another country. They (other countries) are still out there and will attack if you let your guard down. When you send food to a country that is in a civil war, do you just let the military in charge take the food for themselves (it was for the people) or do you force upon them the importance of giving the food to its people by any means necessary. I personally would be glad not to send any of my sons around the world to promote democracy when so much of it wants socialism or communism. What are you going to do when a (other country) comes calling. Lay Down?????? like you did when your own gov. took not only your guns away but a liberty you will never get back.

have a nice day :)

Bladerunner
 
Had you really rather that we be isolationist. Probably like the ones in my country so many years ago that allowed a people (6 Million) to be slaughtered by another country. They (other countries) are still out there and will attack if you let your guard down. When you send food to a country that is in a civil war, do you just let the military in charge take the food for themselves (it was for the people) or do you force upon them the importance of giving the food to its people by any means necessary. I personally would be glad not to send any of my sons around the world to promote democracy when so much of it wants socialism or communism. What are you going to do when a (other country) comes calling. Lay Down?????? like you did when your own gov. took not only your guns away but a liberty you will never get back.

have a nice day :)

Bladerunner

Can't quite get my head around the first part of your ramble , but would point out that we have never lain down when another country comes calling, we fought the evil of nazisn from the off, unlike another country which rubbed its hands with glee whilst making money out of the war until war was declared against it.

As to the liberty which I have lost is that the liberty to

A) have my children massacred by a nut case armed with an automatic weapon

Or

B) massacre somebody else's children with an automatic weapon

?

Please advise

Brian
 

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