Gun laws do they work

Brianwarnock said:
Can't quite get my head around the first part of your ramble , but would point out that we have never lain down when another country comes calling, we fought the evil of nazisn from the off, unlike another country which rubbed its hands with glee whilst making money out of the war until war was declared against it.

As to the liberty which I have lost is that the liberty to

A) have my children massacred by a nut case armed with an automatic weapon

Or

B) massacre somebody else's children with an automatic weapon

?

Please advise

Brian
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Hello Mr. Brian: The first part of mine last post was dealing with the first part of you last post. While we never have lain down for anybody, we did sit back and watch people getting slaughtered over there until it ws thrust down our throats by the Japanese. None of the long guns used so far have been automatic. They are extremely regulated beside how many people in GB have fallen to gun fire. I don't think it is zero! and you have the rules and regs to prevent it... As I stated before, guns, bullets are not the problem our liberty is. Besides, it does not affect you in any way if the U.S. stays the way it is with all of our rights and liberties in tact..



have a great day :)

Bladerunner
 
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Thank you for the stats Galaxiom but I don't think they will effect their thinking.
Interesting that those who believe that words written a few centuries ago must be sacrosanct appear to be the same god fearing people who believe in the words written many more centuries earlier.

I wonder if they ever stop to really think.

Brian
 
What I don't understand is their objection to

Identifying marks on guns
Registration of guns
Checks on people who want to own a gun.

In Australia all guns must be registered. A person who wants a gun must give a reason why they want one and pass a test to show they know how how they should be handled. All guns must be kept in a locked cabinet which is inspected for its compliance.
 
Brianwarnock said:
Thank you for the stats Galaxiom but I don't think they will effect their thinking.
Interesting that those who believe that words written a few centuries ago must be sacrosanct appear to be the same god fearing people who believe in the words written many more centuries earlier.

I wonder if they ever stop to really think.

Brian
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In your thinking does the will of the majority of the people have any bearing on the situation?
 
The will of the majority of the people is important.

I also agree that the central problem is not gun laws. As Michael Moore pointed out, gun ownership in Canada is just a s high yet they don't have the same problem with gun crime. The real problem is the culture of the USA.

I am certainly glad I am not a citizen of the USA.
 
Galaxiom said:
The will of the majority of the people is important.

I also agree that the central problem is not gun laws. As Michael Moore pointed out, gun ownership in Canada is just a s high yet they don't have the same problem with gun crime. The real problem is the culture of the USA.

I am certainly glad I am not a citizen of the USA.
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Right on. Sometimes I think about moving. Canada, Australia, and Costa Rica are my first three choices, not necessarily in that order. I am well aware that they all have there problems.
 
Galaxiom said:
No not quite.

All gun related deaths per annum
UK: 0.25 per 100,000
USA : 10.3 per 100,000
USA = 41 times as many per head of population

Homicides:
UK: 0.04 per 100,000
USA: 3.6 per 100,000

USA = 90 times as many.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
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Hi Glaxiom:
First of all, the stats are right but you forgot to put them into perspective.

1. UK has one city that has more than 1,000,000 pop. U.S. has 9.

2. Most of your cities that have a pop of over 100,000 have under 24.9% Black Population. In the U.S. Black comprise a whopping 84% and down in our cities of 100,000 or more population.

3. It is a fact that most homicides in the U.S. are caused and received by blacks. Take D.C. for example, A city of 632,000 (rounded), has black population of 60%. and highest the gun death rate in the country (302) and the population that owns guns at home comprise on 4%.

Here is a link about the "Tale of Two Cities" One requiring all citizen have guns at home and one where they outlawed guns entirely. http://freedomoutpost.com/2012/07/mandated-gun-ownership-a-tale-of-two-cities/

Yes we do have more deaths by guns but also have far more people 300,000,000 to 61,000,000. In the larger cities, the large population alone will cause problem. Put the down-troden in the formula and you have a senerio of disaster. Here you can by guns for $40 and most not even american made.

Believe I will keep my gun and my liberty regardless of what the rest of the world thinks. The pacifist (liberals) have taken over influence again in the U.S. so the rest of the world had better hope there is not another WW. The way these idiots think, They would let the rest of the world die first. Now which side had you rather have in power.


Have a Nice Day :)

Bladerunner
 
Galaxiom said:
The will of the majority of the people is important.

I also agree that the central problem is not gun laws. As Michael Moore pointed out, gun ownership in Canada is just a s high yet they don't have the same problem with gun crime. The real problem is the culture of the USA.

I am certainly glad I am not a citizen of the USA.
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Me TOO!

Have a Nice Day :)


Bladerunner
 
Dick7Access said:
Right on. Sometimes I think about moving. Canada, Australia, and Costa Rica are my first three choices, not necessarily in that order. I am well aware that they all have there problems.
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I hear that San Francisco is accepting everybody (liberals that is).

Have a Nice Day:)

Bladerunner
 
Bladerunner said:
I hear that San Francisco is accepting everybody (liberals that is).

Have a Nice Day:)

Bladerunner
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That's good, good and funny that is. Thanks anyways, but I think I will say in FL. for the time being.

On a different note, I heard thate Ireland has past a law that if you were not Irish you can only have a visa for no longer than two years. Anybody know that as true?
 
Dick7Access said:
That's good, good and funny that is. Thanks anyways, but I think I will say in FL. for the time being.

On a different note, I heard thate Ireland has past a law that if you were not Irish you can only have a visa for no longer than two years. Anybody know that as true?
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On the other hand-- the Cayman Islands: At custom they will ask you for you return flight info if you are a tourist or business person. They like tourist but have other ideas about permanent residents.

If you in FL. the Trevon/Zimmerman trial is over and Zimmerman is Not Guilty. It may be better if you keep your head down for a while.


Have a Nice day:)

Bladerunner
 
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Here is a link to places where handguns bans did not work. Washington, DC., Chicago, Oak Park IL. , Morton Grove, IL. There are others were the liberals decided it was best for the citizens not to own a gun. It just made criminals out of law abiding citizens. http://www.learnaboutguns.com/2009/01/23/this-weeks-handgun-crime-in-gun-free-oak-park/


The liberals here have the attention span of a opossum with the exception of their ideology.

Have a nice day:)

Bladerunner
 
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Bladerunner said:
Yes we do have more deaths by guns but also have far more people 300,000,000 to 61,000,000.
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But the figures I quoted are per 100,000 population so they account for the difference.

Put the down-troden in the formula and you have a senerio of disaster.
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That is the real problem. The USA is big on "liberty". The wealthy and powerful have the liberty to completely exploit whoever and whatever they can get away with.

The same attitude prevails regarding the planet's resources which your country consumes at a phenomenal rate without regard for the pollution you create. Meanwhile you claim it would infringe on your liberty when asked to take steps toward a sustainable economy.

You are also paying a high price for the hypocrisy of your forefathers who spoke of "equality for all men" then indulged in slavery.
 
Galaxiom said:
What I don't understand is their objection to

Identifying marks on guns
Registration of guns
Checks on people who want to own a gun.

In Australia all guns must be registered. A person who wants a gun must give a reason why they want one and pass a test to show they know how how they should be handled. All guns must be kept in a locked cabinet which is inspected for its compliance.
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What good is a gun in a locked cabinet. Come on now, use a little of that brain of yours. I have read how Australia took your guns. People lining up like cattle to slaughter. Registration of guns just tells them who has them and how many. I don't think one of the criteria for owning a gun there is protection from other people.

Nazi Germany took away all the guns prior to their rise. If you (Australia) and UK did not have the US on you side, do you think Russia or China would think about it twice. We don't have a world community yet! It might be nice but the countries of the world are not ready yet! We still have several Genghis Khans around. Maybe someday.

No I am not that arrogant but our country is the only one that can stop them and you know that. Or at least right now we can Another two years of King Obama and we'll be a third world country or at least part of us will be.


Have a nice day :)

Bladerunner



Have a nice day
 
Galaxiom said:
But the figures I quoted are per 100,000 population so they account for the difference.



That is the real problem. The USA is big on "liberty". The wealthy and powerful have the liberty to completely exploit whoever and whatever they can get away with.

The same attitude prevails regarding the planet's resources which your country consumes at a phenomenal rate without regard for the pollution you create. Meanwhile you claim it would infringe on your liberty when asked to take steps toward a sustainable economy.

You are also paying a high price for the hypocrisy of your forefathers who spoke of "equality for all men" then indulged in slavery.
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Ah don't give that sh.. about the pollution. China spews more that we ever did and it is not global warming. Just cycles. I hear it is still going on in your country. Bad stuff slavery... it comes back to bit you in the arce.

p.s the resources are ours to consume. We have enough here in this country . If we would use it we would not have to rely on anyone. Is that what the world really wants or is it a bunch of liberals that want their way or the highway.

Now today the travon martin trial was finished with a Not-Guilty verdict. So there are riots, burning, robbing, raping, etc. It is our fault. All we had to do return a guilty verdict.
 
Dick7Access said:
In your thinking does the will of the majority of the people have any bearing on the situation?
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How do you know what the majority want without a clearly defined referendum?

The will of the majority is not always correct, think slavery, the holocaust to name but two, both appeared to be backed by the majority at the time.

Brian
 
Bladerunner cites a 200 year old piece of paper, fine lets go back to the weapons of the day, I've no problem with that.

Brian
 
Brianwarnock said:
How do you know what the majority want without a clearly defined referendum?

The will of the majority is not always correct, think slavery, the holocaust to name but two, both appeared to be backed by the majority at the time.

Brian
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Good Point, The legal way would be to repeal the 2nd amendment.
 
The legal way would be to repeal the 2nd amendment.
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Or perhaps to implement the 2nd amendment literally and in its entirety, as opposed to now, where half of it is ignored or "interpreted" away?
 
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