Gun laws do they work

[Dick7Access]

Or perhaps to implement the 2nd amendment literally and in its entirety, as opposed to now, where half of it is ignored or "interpreted" away?

which half, clue me in?

 

[Steve R.]

I also agree that the central problem is not gun laws. ... The real problem is the culture of the USA.

Quite true. An unfortunate near sighted aspect favors lazy politicians pursuing the "easy" and highly visible solution of passing laws to restrict gun ownership versus "hard" solutions such as addressing the cultural issues which can lead to violent behavior.

 

[Dick7Access]

Quite true. An unfortunate near sighted aspect favors lazy politicians pursuing the "easy" and highly visible solution of passing laws to restrict gun ownership versus "hard" solutions such as addressing the cultural issues which can lead to violent behavior.

agree, well said

 

[Bladerunner]

But the figures I quoted are per 100,000 population so they account for the difference.



That is the real problem. The USA is big on "liberty". The wealthy and powerful have the liberty to completely exploit whoever and whatever they can get away with.

The same attitude prevails regarding the planet's resources which your country consumes at a phenomenal rate without regard for the pollution you create. Meanwhile you claim it would infringe on your liberty when asked to take steps toward a sustainable economy.

You are also paying a high price for the hypocrisy of your forefathers who spoke of "equality for all men" then indulged in slavery.

Here we go again. sanctimonious gibberish. The welathy and Powerful..... Don't you country have them. I guess not.. Everybody down there is poh (poor) folk(s). We have a sustainable economy, just have to get the damn liberals out of office so the rules apply to everyone and we can all get back to work. That includes you gays. You do work don't you. Your not afraid of hard labor. I do hard labor every day here. I'd bet you hands are soft as a baby's but and have not scares or calluses. While I don't have a problem with someone who lives by their brain and not brawn. I do have a problem of the so called superiority complex of these people.


We all have our skeletons. I think people in the future will have them as well including you.

Our country has worked for 230+ years of freedom. That is better than any other country has done so far including your countries nefarious past.

Have a great day

Bladerunner

 

[Bladerunner]

Thank you for the stats Galaxiom but I don't think they will effect their thinking.
Interesting that those who believe that words written a few centuries ago must be sacrosanct appear to be the same god fearing people who believe in the words written many more centuries earlier.

I wonder if they ever stop to really think.

Brian

The stats do not take into account a culture because of economic and social issues (ghetos in large cities) have no way up except to rob and plunder. This result in high murder rate. Plus we also have gangs that have kids that do not know the meaning of humanity. UK does not in the have this in the quantity we do.


Oh, Heard they are marriage with Gays in legal now in the UK with a judge or religious marriage. My question is : What religion is going to marry them (Druids)?

 

[Bladerunner]

Quite true. An unfortunate near sighted aspect favors lazy politicians pursuing the "easy" and highly visible solution of passing laws to restrict gun ownership versus "hard" solutions such as addressing the cultural issues which can lead to violent behavior.

I will have to agree with D7A. Well said: Back when I was a child, we all had guns but there were not that many murders even in the cities. (exception chicago) who had the mafia. It seems that human life is unimportant anymore. Children who should have the deepest respet for life care nothing about the taking of another life. Until we change this, it will not stop and removing guns from the table will not stop it.

 

[Bladerunner]

Quite true. An unfortunate near sighted aspect favors lazy politicians pursuing the "easy" and highly visible solution of passing laws to restrict gun ownership versus "hard" solutions such as addressing the cultural issues which can lead to violent behavior.

I will have to agree with D7A. Well said: Back when I was a child, we all had guns but there were not that many murders even in the cities. (exception Chicago) who had the mafia. It seems that human life is unimportant anymore. Children who should have the deepest respect for life care nothing about the taking of another life. Until we change this, it will not stop and removing guns from the table will not stop it.


Have a great Day


Bladerunner

 

[Bladerunner]

which half, clue me in?

Only if the whole world is brought back to those times.

Have a nice day

Bladerunner

 

[Galaxiom]

Ah don't give that sh.. about the pollution. China spews more that we ever did and it is not global warming. Just cycles. I hear it is still going on in your country. Bad stuff slavery... it comes back to bit you in the arce.

p.s the resources are ours to consume. We have enough here in this country . If we would use it we would not have to rely on anyone. Is that what the world really wants or is it a bunch of liberals that want their way or the highway.

Firstly, thankyou for so vividly demonstrating exactly the kind of cultural attitudes I was talking about. Greed, ignorance and bigotry.

Facts is that China has embraced change and is driving the development of renewable energy technologies. The Chinese per capita consumption is fa, far below that of the US. The US consumes over a quarter of the planet's resources.

I am sick and tired of people in the developed world moaning about the developing world not doing enough. The developed world has already done more than its share of pollution since the industrial revolution and owe it to the planet to use some of that wealth built on that pollution and consumption to make change rather than expecting to go on business as usual and pointing their fingers at the rest.

The science behind climate change is unequivocal. It isn't just natural cycles. Indeed it has recently been confirmed that the Sun entered a lull in 2008 as part of a 100 year cycle. It should emerge in about 2024. Then the rate of change will leave nobody with any real doubt.

The rate of climate change progressing right now is unprecedented in the past 65 million years (when a large object crashed into the Earth).

 

[Bladerunner]

Firstly, thankyou for so vividly demonstrating exactly the kind of cultural attitudes I was talking about. Greed, ignorance and bigotry.

Facts is that China has embraced change and is driving the development of renewable energy technologies. The Chinese per capita consumption is fa, far below that of the US. The US consumes over a quarter of the planet's resources.

I am sick and tired of people in the developed world moaning about the developing world not doing enough. The developed world has already done more than its share of pollution since the industrial revolution and owe it to the planet to use some of that wealth built on that pollution and consumption to make change rather than expecting to go on business as usual and pointing their fingers at the rest.

The science behind climate change is unequivocal. It isn't just natural cycles. Indeed it has recently been confirmed that the Sun entered a lull in 2008 as part of a 100 year cycle. It should emerge in about 2024. Then the rate of change will leave nobody with any real doubt.

The rate of climate change progressing right now is unprecedented in the past 65 million years (when a large object crashed into the Earth).

good dissertation: Now lets hear the other side of the story?

 

[Galaxiom]

good dissertation: Now lets hear the other side of the story?

Go ahead. I have yet to encounter any valid arguments from those who oppose climate change science. I will happily provide the facts.

 

[Bladerunner]

Go ahead. I have yet to encounter any valid arguments from those who oppose climate change science. I will happily provide the facts.

One has to know the other side in order to effectively promote their side.
You first/


Have a great day

Bladerunner

 

[Dick7Access]

One has to know the other side in order to effectively promote their side.
You first/


Have a great day

Bladerunner

That is very polite of you. I was going to post a bunch of web sites that call GW a fraud, but then I said what's the use, each side can post as many.

 

[Galaxiom]

I was going to post a bunch of web sites that call GW a fraud, but then I said what's the use, each side can post as many.

It isn't a matter of how many links can be posted but how the claims stands up to scrutiny. None of the propositions claiming that AGW is a fraud survive any serious analysis.

Here is one: "The sea level isn't rising."

It was very popular in 2011 when the average sea level fell. It was pointed out at the time that it was due to the effect of a very strong La Nina phase of the ENSO and was consistent with the modelling

One popular version reposted all across the internet even used falsified figures to exaggerate the fall.

Not popular now though. Here is the current data.
http://sealevel.colorado.edu/

Your turn, especially since I have already debunked the natural sun cycles myth.

Let's stick to dealing with one claim at a time. By all mean use links with multiple claims but specify which claim you are targetting.

 

[Dick7Access]

It isn't a matter of how many links can be posted but how the claims stands up to scrutiny. None of the propositions claiming that AGW is a fraud survive any serious analysis.

Here is one: "The sea level isn't rising."

It was very popular in 2011 when the average sea level fell. It was pointed out at the time that it was due to the effect of a very strong La Nina phase of the ENSO and was consistent with the modelling

One popular version reposted all across the internet even used falsified figures to exaggerate the fall.

Not popular now though. Here is the current data.
http://sealevel.colorado.edu/

Your turn, especially since I have already debunked the natural sun cycles myth.

Let's stick to dealing with one claim at a time. By all mean use links with multiple claims but specify which claim you are targetting.

Gal, I fully respected your views, since you are not into name calling. You probable researched it better than I have. It interest me greatly to dig in to this stuff, but I an not going to keep .with you as I have two db and a Power Point, two sermons to finish before Sept 4th, and I will be on the road with meetings roughly 22 days. So please don’t assume I can’t find contradicting information. Secondly To even be sure my guy is right, I would have to do more research jut on him. On the surface he seems very intelligent, but want t0 know about him studies and who is footing the bill. (my motto) follow the money. I was going to research whu wrote Your articl, but I took my meds just before I spotted you post on my wto bed, and I an having trouble finding the keys I want. Hopfully when I get into my Motels I will have more time
SO here is my rebutta:
Dr Mörner, formerly a Stockholm professor
If there is one scientist who knows more about sea levels than anyone else in the world it is the Swedish geologist and physicist Nils-Axel Mörner, formerly chairman of the INQUA International Commission on Sea Level Change. And the uncompromising verdict of Dr Mörner, who for 35 years has been using every known scientific method to study sea levels all over the globe, is that all this talk about the sea rising is nothing but a colossal scare story.

Despite fluctuations down as well as up, "the sea is not rising," he says. "It hasn't risen in 50 years." If there is any rise this century it will "not be more than 10cm (four inches), with an uncertainty of plus or minus 10cm". And quite apart from examining the hard evidence, he says, the elementary laws of physics (latent heat needed to melt ice) tell us that the apocalypse conjured up by
Al Gore and Co could not possibly come about.

The reason why Dr Mörner, formerly a Stockholm professor, is so certain that these claims about sea level rise are 100 per cent wrong is that they are all based on computer model predictions, whereas his findings are based on "going into the field to observe what is actually happening in the real world".

When running the International Commission on Sea Level Change, he launched a special project on the Maldives, whose leaders have for 20 years been calling for vast sums of international aid to stave off disaster. Six times he and his expert team visited the islands, to confirm that the sea has not risen for half a century. Before announcing his findings, he offered to show the inhabitants a film explaining why they had nothing to worry about. The government refused to let it be shown.

Similarly in Tuvalu, where local leaders have been calling for the inhabitants to be evacuated for 20 years, the sea has if anything dropped in recent decades. The only evidence the scaremongers can cite is based on the fact that extracting groundwater for pineapple growing has allowed seawater to seep in to replace it. Meanwhile, Venice has been sinking rather than the Adriatic rising, says Dr Mörner.

One of his most shocking discoveries was why the IPCC has been able to show sea levels rising by 2.3mm a year. Until 2003, even its own satellite-based evidence showed no upward trend. But suddenly the graph tilted upwards because the IPCC's favoured experts had drawn on the finding of a single tide-gauge in Hong Kong harbour showing a 2.3mm rise. The entire global sea-level projection was then adjusted upwards by a "corrective factor" of 2.3mm, because, as the IPCC scientists admitted, they "needed to show a trend".

When I spoke to Dr Mörner last week, he expressed his continuing dismay at how the IPCC has fed the scare on this crucial issue. When asked to act as an "expert reviewer" on the IPCC's last two reports, he was "astonished to find that not one of their 22 contributing authors on sea levels was a sea level specialist: not one". Yet the results of all this "deliberate ignorance" and reliance on rigged computer models have become the most powerful single driver of the entire warmist hysteria.

•For more information, see Dr Mörner on YouTube (Google Mörner, Maldives and YouTube); or read on the net his 2007 EIR interview "Claim that sea level is rising is a total fraud"; or email him morner@pog.nu to buy a copy of his booklet 'The Greatest Lie Ever Told'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/co...

INFOWARS.com
PrisonPlanet.com
PrisonPlanet.org''
'Dick S,



see you n the morning I Hhve a lunh with tree beatuful womn at 11:00 I have to bhave as one wil be my wife.

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

It isn't a matter of how many links can be posted but how the claims stands up to scrutiny. None of the propositions claiming that AGW is a fraud survive any serious analysis.

Here is one: "The sea level isn't rising."

It was very popular in 2011 when the average sea level fell. It was pointed out at the time that it was due to the effect of a very strong La Nina phase of the ENSO and was consistent with the modelling

One popular version reposted all across the internet even used falsified figures to exaggerate the fall.

Not popular now though. Here is the current data.
http://sealevel.colorado.edu/

Your turn, especially since I have already debunked the natural sun cycles myth.

Let's stick to dealing with one claim at a time. By all mean use links with multiple claims but specify which claim you are targetting.

Is the current weather in the UK expected to be more of a norm for the future. If so I hope you Aussies and Yanks keep burning as much s**t as ever. Dont want to slow the process.

 

[Bladerunner]

Is the current weather in the UK expected to be more of a norm for the future. If so I hope you Aussies and Yanks keep burning as much s**t as ever. Dont want to slow the process.

Us Yanks have taken all the bad stuff from our factories that would dirty up the atmosphere. Most of them use Natural Gas which when burned gives of water and CO2. All the coal plants have scrubbers that remove sulfur dioxides and such down to CO2. Which is the reason they cry CO2 is the problem. Well the last time I check the human gives off CO2 when they breath, Animals do too and get this, trees and other botanical plants use that CO2 to convert it to O2 for us to breath.

D7A ---Good article on sea rising.



Have a great day



Bladerunner.

 

[Bladerunner]

Have you heard the news yet!? Detroit has filed for bankruptcy!

Now in 1969, Detroit was at it highest point where all three car makers were running wide open and the whole city had a bright future. Then in that same year the blacks started burning it down (I was there). The liberals from the free love hippies came in and started this PC sh.t , making rules that did not make sense, raising taxes, paying out more in subsidies to the poor communities (mostly black) instead of fixing them and making them productive. They just wanted their vote. Raise taxes again and again and again etc. Eventually people started moving and they run out of everybody elses money to give to the poor and themselves. Bingo---Bankruptcy! Now they want a bail out. I say Hell no! let it die. Turn it over to the what ever culture wants to live there. The only problem is the liberals are moving down here. I tell them just to shut up and enjoy the slow way of life here. Don't worry about sidewalks, walk on the dirt/grass. Don't worry about driving on paved roads, drive on the gravel roads. They don't listen. We will have a reckoning before we become like Detroit.


Have a nice day


Bladerunner

 

[Bladerunner]

One more thought to my last post. The administration today is taking the same road as detroit did all those years ago. Only this time because it concerns such a large area and millions of people they are trying to remove the safety stops ( gun laws, Free speech, etc.) in order to smother any type of movement that could stop them. If they succeed America is over. While I have lived (short periods of 1 to 2 years) in other countries (not UK or Aussy), I can say, You have more freedom here in the US which is why I have this attitude against anyone who would hurt her.

Have a nice


Bladerunner

 

[Galaxiom]

Ironically the scrubbing of the sulphur dioxide led to an increase in the Greenhouse Effect because whenit was in the atmosphere it reflected some of the sun's radiation back out into space.

CO2 is the main problem because unlike other pollutants it persists for a very long time. We can just stop and wait a little while for things to get better like we did with ozone depletion, acid rain and soot.

CO2 and temperature also have positive feedback mechanisms. These are the mechanisms that drive the global glaciation cycles. Indeed we had already begun the decline into the next glaciation when the industrial revolution turned it around.

Which brings us to another criticism leveled against the science. Opponents point to the fact that scientists had previously predicted global cooling and therefore are unreliable. Fact is they were right then too but had not yet accounted for the extraordinary amount of carbon we are now putting into the atmosphere.

Try to get this fire into perspective. Each year we are burning a couple of cubic miles of coal and even more oil. It increases every year.

More than half of the carbon released since the start of the industrial revolution has occurred since 1980 and we have increased the carbon dioxide content of the atmosphere by over forty percent.

The fact that carbon dioxide is natural does not mean that changing it its concentration isn't important.