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If there is one scientist who knows more about sea levels than anyone else in the world it is the Swedish geologist and physicist Nils-Axel Mörner,

Similar phrases are used to introduce many scientist quoted by those who disagree with the prevailing science.

Fact is that he is one ocean scientist and not a particularly outstanding one though he did do some work on the distribution of water in the oceans. His conclusions about historic sea levels are based on very little but more importantly his claims are contradicted by further observations by hundreds of other scientists.

Science is not about personality but about the coalescence of theory and observation. On this count he is an abject failure.

Furthermore his qualifications in oceanology and geology do not afford him any credibility whatsoever in atmospheric or climate science. Hence he has no place projecting the progression of the climate.

Those who doubt the science uncritically latch onto anything they see that might support their position while they completely ignore the vast body of work that contradicts their prejudice. Just like Bladerunner's "Good article" comment. In fact it is a very poor article that effectively doesn't reference anything beyond itself.

The reason why Dr Mörner, formerly a Stockholm professor, is so certain that these claims about sea level rise are 100 per cent wrong is that they are all based on computer model predictions, whereas his findings are based on "going into the field to observe what is actually happening in the real world".

Clearly the projections of sea level rise into the future are based on models. That is all anyone can offer. His predictions are nothing but conjecture. He obviously cannot provide real world observations of the future.

Moreover his supposed observations of the past contradict the verifiable evidence.

he says, the elementary laws of physics (latent heat needed to melt ice) tell us that the apocalypse conjured up by Al Gore and Co could not possibly come about.

The vast majority of the rise is driven not by the melting of the ice but by thermal expansion of the water itself. Do you really think vast teams of scientists dedicated to the task of projecting our future don't understand the simple high school physics of latent heat?

Similarly in Tuvalu, where local leaders have been calling for the inhabitants to be evacuated for 20 years, the sea has if anything dropped in recent decades. The only evidence the scaremongers can cite is based on the fact that extracting groundwater for pineapple growing has allowed seawater to seep in to replace it. Meanwhile, Venice has been sinking rather than the Adriatic rising, says Dr Mörner.

Unfortunately many jump onto the bandwagon and try to attribute sea level rise to things are are caused by many other factors. It is rightly pointed out that extraction of ground water is a major contributor to the sinking of land in many places, including London.

However this in no way discredits the underlying fact that the sea level is rising steadily. His comment about Venice is facile.

One of his most shocking discoveries was why the IPCC has been able to show sea levels rising by 2.3mm a year. Until 2003, even its own satellite-based evidence showed no upward trend. But suddenly the graph tilted upwards because the IPCC's favoured experts had drawn on the finding of a single tide-gauge in Hong Kong harbour showing a 2.3mm rise.

Utter rubbish.

Even if a the whole graph was moved up by 2.3 mm it would still show a rise of the same annual magnitude.

The satellite data is calibrated from land based gauges across the planet. The movements of the land are also taken into account.

BTW Did you know that that North America is still rebounding upwards from the removal of the weight of the icecap at the end of the last ice age about ten thousand years ago?
 
Similar phrases are used to introduce many scientist quoted by those who disagree with the prevailing science.

Fact is that he is one ocean scientist and not a particularly outstanding one though he did do some work on the distribution of water in the oceans. His conclusions about historic sea levels are based on very little but more importantly his claims are contradicted by further observations by hundreds of other scientists.

Science is not about personality but about the coalescence of theory and observation. On this count he is an abject failure.

Furthermore his qualifications in oceanology and geology do not afford him any credibility whatsoever in atmospheric or climate science. Hence he has no place projecting the progression of the climate.

Those who doubt the science uncritically latch onto anything they see that might support their position while they completely ignore the vast body of work that contradicts their prejudice. Just like Bladerunner's "Good article" comment. In fact it is a very poor article that effectively doesn't reference anything beyond itself.



Clearly the projections of sea level rise into the future are based on models. That is all anyone can offer. His predictions are nothing but conjecture. He obviously cannot provide real world observations of the future.

Moreover his supposed observations of the past contradict the verifiable evidence.



The vast majority of the rise is driven not by the melting of the ice but by thermal expansion of the water itself. Do you really think vast teams of scientists dedicated to the task of projecting our future don't understand the simple high school physics of latent heat?



Unfortunately many jump onto the bandwagon and try to attribute sea level rise to things are are caused by many other factors. It is rightly pointed out that extraction of ground water is a major contributor to the sinking of land in many places, including London.

However this in no way discredits the underlying fact that the sea level is rising steadily. His comment about Venice is facile.



Utter rubbish.

Even if a the whole graph was moved up by 2.3 mm it would still show a rise of the same annual magnitude.

The satellite data is calibrated from land based gauges across the planet. The movements of the land are also taken into account.

BTW Did you know that that North America is still rebounding upwards from the removal of the weight of the icecap at the end of the last ice age about ten thousand years ago?

With all your knowledge---you need to call Al Gore maybe he can make a few more million of of this so called crisis and maybe if you good enough you might just make a million or two.


Have a great day:)

Bladerunner
 
With all your knowledge---you need to call Al Gore maybe he can make a few more million of of this so called crisis and maybe if you good enough you might just make a million or two.

Your post fails to address any of the issues. This is a sure sign of someone who knows nothing of the facts and cares even less because they would rather stick to their unsubstantiated prejudices.

FYI I have never even watched "An Inconvenient Truth". I am not interested in popularisation of such scientific issues because it often clouds the facts. Gore is probably a self indulgent hypocrite anyway.

However I am bewildered by those who presume that anyone who promotes the science of AGW is motivated by personal gain. If you take a look at the evidence it is clear that those with the most to lose by the world moving away from combustion are those with investments in fossil fuel technologies.

These companies have deep pockets and fund anyone who will stand up and say that there isn't a problem. Mörner is actually an exception to the rule. As far as I can tell he has not openly indulged in the fossil fuel industry trough that taints the vast majority of those with scientific credentials who go against the genuine science.
 
someone who knows nothing of the facts and cares even less because they would rather stick to their unsubstantiated prejudices

Is that a long-winded equivalent of "religious nut" ? :D
 
Is that a long-winded equivalent of "religious nut" ? :D

Climate change denial is indeed a religious belief. Devotees continue to hold their prejudices despite overwhelming evidence.
 
Climate change denial is indeed a religious belief. Devotees continue to hold their prejudices despite overwhelming evidence.

Climate change proponents is indeed a religious belief. Devotees continue to hold their prejudices despite overwhelming evidence.
 
WOW! What great repartee.

Brian

Brian,
I haven't heard the word "repartee" used since I was in college, but it made me think of a word that was used in similar situation, and was wondering if it is ever used in your neck of the woods. That word is "touche"?
 
Yes , and I'm sure we both use other foreign words but my brain can't come up with a sample at the moment tho with my col hat on I would say that for you guys English ID foreign :D

Brian
 
Thinking about it was in the US , up north of Yosemite , that I had trouble with language.

We were having coffee in a diner as the storm raged outside, in the car park, sorry parking lot there were lots of what we call pickup trucks and I was asking a guy if the backs filled with water in this weather or did they have a drainage system. He and his mate looked at me in a puzzled manner, then another guy said
" modern flat backs have drainage holes in the deck but older ones often don't and can retain water."

Oh the joys of a common language

Brian
 
I also have wondered why us Yanks park on a drive way, and drive on a parkway. Also yanks are not all created equally. When I lived in Massachusetts I rented one of my apartments to a yank from Maine. Helping him move he was giving me directions and he said second “door yard”. I couldn’t even understand what he was saying, (He swears he was speaking English), so I ask him to spell it. I ask him what in the world a door yard was. He said you know where to drive to get to the house
 
LOL we also park on drive ways, but my biggest shock was when , on my first visit to the states, I found that my hire car was insured only for driving on the pavement. I had visions of scattering pedestrians.

Note that to us a pavement is equivalent to your sidewalk, actually sidewalk is one of the American words I like, perhaps if we used it it would dissuade all the cyclists from using it.

Brian
 
This thread is wandering from gun control, maybe we have all got bored with banging our heads against the wall.

How about a discussion on stand your ground law ? Better not

Brian
 
This thread is wandering from gun control, maybe we have all got bored with banging our heads against the wall.

How about a discussion on stand your ground law ? Better not

Brian

Wow and Wow! I don't think I want to touch that one. This is going to shock col, but even though I am a certified gun whack o, I have a little trouble with the "Stand your Ground" Probable in the way it is enforced more than the law itself. So on that note I will bow out of that one. Also even tho some of these post are entertaining it is not helping me to get my work done. I hope the boss doesn't find out I am doing this on company time, Oh! That’s right I am the boss!
 
Wow and Wow! I don't think I want to touch that one. This is going to shock col, but even though I am a certified gun whack o, I have a little trouble with the "Stand your Ground" Probable in the way it is enforced more than the law itself. So on that note I will bow out of that one. Also even tho some of these post are entertaining it is not helping me to get my work done. I hope the boss doesn't find out I am doing this on company time, Oh! That’s right I am the boss!

Lets start with this! Your at home and you have someone trying to get into it. they finally do and then what do you do? Run out the back door? Get away and hope the law dogs get there before they steel everything.?

Or............................stand your ground.


Have a nice day. :)


Bladerunner
 
As much as Glaxiom talks a fine tune...... I have found out that the temperatures from 1976 to present day have not changed. I also found out that in medieval times the temperature was approximately 3.5 degrees warmer than it is now. Then guess what happened? Oh,,,, you know "The little Ice Age" in the 1800's. Co2 is not a pollutant. I would think that the liberals who shouted from the rooftop that Manhattan would be under 6 foot of water by 2007 would have shut up but NO------ they just keep extending the warming period into 2025. I have heard that somewhere on this thread before.....I think.

Bottom line, for some people it is easy to blow smoke up their .....well...... but not this redneck. In fact, it is becoming apparent that a larger number of people have turned off Al Gore and his minions. There are only cycles that include warming and cooling. Most of it has to do with the ocean currents that melt the ice until the cold water gets so much as to affect the climate around continents it comes close to. The affect would be (you guessed it) cool things down. How can we be so arrogant to think that we and all our puny factories can affect the world when we can put everyone in the world (elbow to elbow) onto a land mass the size of Tennessee, U.S.A.

I fully believe this constant yammering about the sky is falling is a deep routed effort of control. It has been said that religion is a way to control people. Well, if you don't have religion to control people then what do the atheist have other than well thought out plans (global warming) to control people and economies.

I think it was funny that at one time one of the solutions to climate warming was to put a large amount of Sulfur Dioxide into the atmosphere. This is really good since Sulfur Dioxide is a Pollutant. Very smart people them Doctors of Philosophy.

Have a great day:)

Bladerunner
 
Lets start with this! Your at home and you have someone trying to get into it. they finally do and then what do you do? Run out the back door? Get away and hope the law dogs get there before they steel everything.?

Or............................stand your ground.


Have a nice day. :)


Bladerunner

As Dick said it is the way it is enforced, your example is very simple, a case was quoted during a BBC article on the law of two guys having a fight, they fell into some water, one gets out pulls his gun and shoots the other guy as he is getting out, he is acquitted. That cannot be right.

Brian
 
Lets start with this! Your at home and you have someone trying to get into it. they finally do and then what do you do? Run out the back door? Get away and hope the law dogs get there before they steel everything.?

Or............................stand your ground.


Have a nice day. :)


Bladerunner

Would you believe that it took me from Jan 18 to June 28 to get my concealed weapons permit? Thy jerked me around three times. First they said I had not paid. I showed them a canceled check. Then they said my application wasn't notarized. My bank called them and gave them the notarized number. They said it didn’t matter I had to send them another application again notarized with a letter from the bank stating it is notarize now. Then thy said that my fingerprints were not readable. I went back to the police department had new fingerprints taken with a letter from the sheriff stating that these are certified to be readable. Now you tell me, would I go thru all that and then run out the back door.
I like my permit better that I had in Massachusetts. I didn’t have to conceal it. I was allowed to wear my weapon on the outside.
 

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