Gun laws do they work

dan-cat said:
You've been watching too much of The Walking Dead ;)
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You will have to clue me on (Walking Dead) as I haven't watch TV in 25 years, but I do read the news just in my town, state, and country. The super market I shop at have had two murders, one inside the other outside. Thee banks in town have had robbery's. Next town over, (7 miles) bunch of teenager kills a 17 year old, burns his body and stuffs it in large paint cans. I see the wink, my friend, but it's reals ville here. I have been thru why you don't move bit before. Talk about not using logic, for some reason Australia appeals to me. I think it's the giant crawfish that Big John told me about. :D BTW I am looking for a little sympathy here, as my "All night Diner" just folded. On that note I am still looking for "Access World Forum" meetng in June when I go to Bolixi, MS. Anybody in that area interested. We also have one already set up for Aug. 12th in Jacksonville, FL. anybody else around there interested in joining us/
 
dan-cat said:
You've been watching too much of The Walking Dead ;)
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Not so, as D7A stated, it happens everyday. Consider your killer that shot his wife in the bathroom. If he did not have a gun, he would have found another way.

A young lady in this area, not long ago had her estranged boyfriend claim he was going to break down her door and ra** her. He did try and succeeded in breaking down the door. She was waiting for him on the other side with a 12 ga. Needless to say it was messy. No charges, just self preservation. If the atheist in the other thread truly believe there is no more that life itself, then if I was them, I would be making sure no one took it away from me prematurely.
Have a nice day :>)
Bladerunner
 
Honestly, if you had been in the restaurant with a gun, would you have risked your life for someone else's money by taking on the armed robber?
 
Galaxiom said:
Honestly, if you had been in the restaurant with a gun, would you have risked your life for someone else's money by taking on the armed robber?
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gun or no gun, the restaurant still have knives and plenty of customers.Thats the problem these days. No body saw nothing. "I know noooothinnnng" Sargent Shultz

Was it just the tiller at the restaurant or the customers, Makes a difference.

but the answer is Yes.
 
Galaxiom said:
Several customers and staff would have died in the cross-fire.
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Would beat if about half a dozen or so customers had their guns trained on the robber, he would have laid his gun down. Without a shot. These people don't want to die, they just don;t want to work for a living. A product of a liberal society.

P.s the ones that don't care about dying for their cause, you will know instantly.
 
After the batman theater shooting a few years back, I recall reading statements by a few of the people attending who actually owned guns and had been trained in their use. To a person, they all stated that they would never have opened fire on the shooter simply because the odds of hitting bystanders would have been entirely too high. You don't get a bye for accidentally killing a bystander unless you're either rich or a cop with seriously corrupt connections.

As to how common robberies, murders, and the like are: I live near Detroit and work in Flint. In either city, it's not news when someone kills someone or breaks into a house. It's only news when that DOESN'T happen, or when the murder is unusual in some way.
 
Frothingslosh said:
As to how common robberies, murders, and the like are: I live near Detroit and work in Flint. In either city, it's not news when someone kills someone or breaks into a house. It's only news when that DOESN'T happen, or when the murder is unusual in some way.
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:confused:
Are you saying that the media report all instances of days when no homes or businesses are broken into and nobody is killed?

Brian
 
Frothingslosh said:
After the batman theater shooting a few years back, I recall reading statements by a few of the people attending who actually owned guns and had been trained in their use. To a person, they all stated that they would never have opened fire on the shooter simply because the odds of hitting bystanders would have been entirely too high. You don't get a bye for accidentally killing a bystander unless you're either rich or a cop with seriously corrupt connections.

As to how common robberies, murders, and the like are: I live near Detroit and work in Flint. In either city, it's not news when someone kills someone or breaks into a house. It's only news when that DOESN'T happen, or when the murder is unusual in some way.
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You lost me, what point are you making?
 
Dick7Access said:
You lost me, what point are you making?
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He seems to be making two points, which one are you querying.

As to the first I can only say that the thought that I might be in a shop/business when a gunman holds up the place and trigger happy customers start firing would scare me to death, just give him the money and lets all stay alive, well me anyway.

Brian
 
2 points:

1) Just because you have a gun in a place where someone is committing a crime, it doesn't follow that the intelligent thing to do is start shooting at the criminal. The ability to carry doesn't inherently lower crime rates.

2) Regarding a totally different sub-conversation where someone suggested violent crime is not all that common, I pointed out that in some cities, murders, break-ins, and the like are daily occurrences. And no, they don't actually report "Hey, there were no murders today", but I guarantee you they will report that there were only 389 murders the one year compared to the 401 the year before.
 
That is a different scenario as then I would not be in the line of fire as we would all be to the one side of the gunman.

But gee I'm glad I don't live in the US.

Brian
 
If I had the misfortune to be live in America I would have to give the possibility serious consideration if the nature of the beast is anything like posted on this forum, however in 10 visits to the country I never felt threatened, but then I never walked round the inner cities any more than I would in many other countries.

Brian
 
Brianwarnock said:
He seems to be making two points, which one are you querying.

As to the first I can only say that the thought that I might be in a shop/business when a gunman holds up the place and trigger happy customers start firing would scare me to death, just give him the money and lets all stay alive, well me anyway.

Brian
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Brian,
I don't know to what extend you would carry that position, but I respect your right to have your views, but it certainly is not new. All my life I have heard "Better red than dead" I rather live by "Live free or die" and "Give me liberty or give me death" I do not fear death. To set the tone for this post I have this humor that I use all the time when people ask why I don't carry a lot of cash and do even buying a donut with check card. I say that if somebody robed me and killed me and got lots of cash, I could not live with that, but if somebody robbed me and killed me and only got 3 dollars, that I could live with.
 
Dick I am having trouble putting your post into context. Are you saying that you would rather die than let the robber get away with the cash?

Brian
 
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...... however in 10 visits to the country I never felt threatened, but then I never walked round the inner cities any more than I would in many other countries.

Brian

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Most people forget how young this country really is. It isn't fully matured like the British Empire. Think back to when the British Empire was 300 years old.
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I'm having trouble making the connection here, also we and probably all countries have changed considerably in the last 300 years.

Brian
 
Brianwarnock said:
Dick I am having trouble putting your post into context. Are you saying that you would rather die than let the robber get away with the cash?

Brian
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close, it is not the cash, but the fact that someone with a gun is going to make me do something I don't want to do. Let me lay it out this his way. If someone with a gun told me to get on my knees and say something that I am opposed I guess I would have to say shoot. Of course we can never be 100% sure what we would do in any give situation
 
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