Gun laws do they work

Choosing death over embarrassment isn't courage - it's cowardice. It means you would rather die than risk having people think slightly less of you. It's wanna-be cowboys doing that who get other people killed.

They can have the money - I'll have more in a week. They want me to say some ridiculous song and dance? Sure thing. Doesn't mean that I'm not trying to figure out the best way to either stop them or at least escape alive - just means I'm not willing to throw my life away for stupid crap that doesn't really matter.

You can recover from having money stolen or being forced to say bad things. It's awfully hard to recover from being dead.
 
After the batman theater shooting a few years back, I recall reading statements by a few of the people attending who actually owned guns and had been trained in their use. To a person, they all stated that they would never have opened fire on the shooter simply because the odds of hitting bystanders would have been entirely too high. You don't get a bye for accidentally killing a bystander unless you're either rich or a cop with seriously corrupt connections.

As to how common robberies, murders, and the like are: I live near Detroit and work in Flint. In either city, it's not news when someone kills someone or breaks into a house. It's only news when that DOESN'T happen, or when the murder is unusual in some way.


Agree on this part, I lived in Detroit when they burnt it down (or at least a part of it). The other I had not heard of any who had weapons. Thought it was supposed to be a gun-free zone. Anyway, if you are armed, you protect life not take it even accidentally.
 
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Are you saying that the media report all instances of days when no homes or businesses are broken into and nobody is killed?

Brian

Of course they would because there was NONE!
 
2 points:

1) Just because you have a gun in a place where someone is committing a crime, it doesn't follow that the intelligent thing to do is start shooting at the criminal. The ability to carry doesn't inherently lower crime rates.

2) Regarding a totally different sub-conversation where someone suggested violent crime is not all that common, I pointed out that in some cities, murders, break-ins, and the like are daily occurrences. And no, they don't actually report "Hey, there were no murders today", but I guarantee you they will report that there were only 389 murders the one year compared to the 401 the year before.

You got so many gang members up there, your right, the crime rate will not drop until.


OH, in Chicago, they reported that 40 something were killed in one weekend. and they have the toughest gun laws in the nations. Only the bad guys have the guns there and they are using them people.
 
Hypothetically speaking the guy could be a 3rd striker. Facing life in prison. So he may not want to leave witness. You very well could be ushered into a back room and slaughtered like spring lambs. The problem is you don't know how the scenario will play out.

Have you ever went into a bar where the music stopped and everyone looked at you instantly. If several people had been carrying and those weapons were trained on this one dude, I think his attitude would change. At least it give time for all the others get out of the way.

There was a restaurant robbed at gunpoint in the US. some time ago where the robber went around to every table (people were under them) and shoot everybody. Some got away and one lady was there with her father and mother. She escaped, they did not. As she told her story, she confided that she had a carry permit but that because the restaurant they were going to forbide weapons, she did not take hers. People, it is not that these places are not going to get robbed maybe, but it speaks volumes when you tell the world, there are no guns here. no sense being afraid. An advertised gun-free place gets people killed.
 
Choosing death over embarrassment isn't courage - it's cowardice. It means you would rather die than risk having people think slightly less of you. It's wanna-be cowboys doing that who get other people killed.

They can have the money - I'll have more in a week. They want me to say some ridiculous song and dance? Sure thing. Doesn't mean that I'm not trying to figure out the best way to either stop them or at least escape alive - just means I'm not willing to throw my life away for stupid crap that doesn't really matter.

You can recover from having money stolen or being forced to say bad things. It's awfully hard to recover from being dead.

You are entitled to your opinion. If there was nobody around and I was not going to be embarrassed would not make a difference. Embarrassed has noting to do with it. Call it cowardice if you want, I call it freedom. 22 years military for freedom. Yes, and a bullet to the heart would stop them. Depending who gets off the first shot. Either way I am free. If somebody rather cling to "Better Red than Dead" that is up to them.
 
You got so many gang members up there, your right, the crime rate will not drop until.


OH, in Chicago, they reported that 40 something were killed in one weekend. and they have the toughest gun laws in the nations. Only the bad guys have the guns there and they are using them people.

Where did you get the impression I was saying I backed elimination of the second amendment?!? My entire point, as I said earlier, was in response to someone saying gun crimes and B&E's were not common at all. I have never in my life argued that taking everyone's guns away will cure our violent crime problem.

For the record, my stance is that the problem is people, not guns. I'm certain that just letting everyone run around armed all the time is just begging for trouble, and I REALLY don't like the abuses we're seeing out of Stand Your Ground laws, but the solution is NOT taking everyone's guns away.
 
For the record, my stance is that the problem is people, not guns..

So true. I don't have time or inclination to look them up, but look at how many homicides are in the news every day, with knifes, bats, pipes vehicles knuckles, and the list is endless. Do we take everything away from everybody.
 
Which of your 10 visits was your favorite destination?

I can't choose a favourite destination, Yosemite , Bryce Canyon , etc or Vegas, New York, San Francisco, New England in autumn, sorry the fall.

What I remember most is the people, not the loud mouthed arrogance that we see doing European tours, but warm friendly welcoming people, Hazel, my late wife, loved to talk to people and in the Americans she found willing conversationists. Even the 6ft 10 300 pound cop with a cannon on his hip could not have been more helpful to the lost jet lagged visitor.

Brian
 
.. but the solution is NOT taking everyone's guns away.

Many forget the title of the thread is gun control, not banning guns, that's too late , the genie is out of the bottle, but a hand gun and an assault rifle are two different animals.

Brian
 
Call it cowardice if you want, I call it freedom.

Here's my view on it, take it for what you will.

I think you have allowed the criminal element and the media's portrayal of it to strip your freedom from you. In much the same way as a teenager with a smartphone, you've adopted the gun as a necessity for life. It isn't a necessity. You could choose to live a life without it regardless of the bedlam surrounding you. You perceive society as one at war when the majority of people are peaceful.

I don't call your attitude cowardice but it is one of submission.
 
Reading some of these recent posts is very depressing. IMO a civilised country is one where I can go to a restaurant or bar and have a meal or a drink without putting my life on the line or having to wear body armour or carry a lethal weapon. To me it is just common sense that the more weapons that are being carried then the more likely that someone will use one.

It seems from these posts that those US citizens who carry arms do so to protect themselves against other US citizens and not to protect themselves against foreign invasion which was the original reason for the constitutional amendment.

Personally I believe that weapons are too easily available and tighter controls would reduce (but not eliminate) the number of killings. It is unrealistic to expect any quick fix to this as it obviously a deep seated cultural issue.
 
Here's my view on it, take it for what you will.

I think you have allowed the criminal element and the media's portrayal of it to strip your freedom from you. In much the same way as a teenager with a smartphone, you've adopted the gun as a necessity for life. It isn't a necessity. You could choose to live a life without it regardless of the bedlam surrounding you. You perceive society as one at war when the majority of people are peaceful.

I don't call your attitude cowardice but it is one of submission.

Boy, o boy. Dan, you and I have been over this before. Maybe I need to move to KY. It must be a more peaceful place than all the places I have lived or visited. Just on my street recently, one neighbor complained to the police that the other neighbors mini bikes were scarring her horse. So tit for tat right. He tried to kill her horses. Not with guns by the way. He was going to tie fire crackers to their testicles.
 
Thanks Dick, I had to cross my legs after reading that one.:eek:

I think that he just said that to grouse her out. Ether that or he didn't know he would not to be able to get the horses to stand still. If he tried he my of got a kick right in..............?
 
Many forget the title of the thread is gun control, not banning guns, that's too late , the genie is out of the bottle, but a hand gun and an assault rifle are two different animals.

Ah! Gun control and banning guns is the same to the people who want to get rid of them. These people are activist mostly political that see that gun control (banning) one of the ways to bring down capitalism in order to replace it with socialism.
 
For the record, my stance is that the problem is people, not guns. I'm certain that just letting everyone run around armed all the time is just begging for trouble, and I REALLY don't like the abuses we're seeing out of Stand Your Ground laws, but the solution is NOT taking everyone's guns away.
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Hi Frothingslosh: 1st: the problem is people not guns and we're not talking about letting everyone run around with guns! 2nd, I am not sure what you mean by abuses out of the Stand Your Ground Law. 3rd. Take the gangs off the street first, get their guns and then maybe you will have safety.
 
New England in autumn, sorry the fall.

Why the "sorry" ;is autumn vs fall different?

What I remember most is the people, not the loud mouthed arrogance that we see doing European tours, but warm friendly welcoming people, Hazel, my late wife, loved to talk to people and in the Americans she found willing conversationists. Even the 6ft 10 300 pound cop with a cannon on his hip could not have been more helpful to the lost jet lagged visitor.

Thank you for your kind words about my country. Yes there are a lot of great people over here that treat people like (pardon the pun) like royalty. None better than the hospitality of the Southern states. There were people that you meet that no doubt carried a gun. Were there any concerns or reservations here. What about the convenience store that probably has a pistol or shotgun under the counter, etc.... You did not even think about it or did you!



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Ah! Gun control and banning guns is the same to the people who want to get rid of them. These people are activist mostly political that see that gun control (banning) one of the ways to bring down capitalism in order to replace it with socialism.

Yes there are a lot of great people over here that treat people like (pardon the pun) like royalty. None better than the hospitality of the Southern states.

I don't think it courteous to imply some-one as an enemy of the state because they differ from your point of view. It's all tip your hat and apple-pie until you talk about something with any meaning. Pretty disingenuous if you ask me.
 

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