I never have understood this...

[Rich]

I see, you cynical....I never would have thought it.

It's how I survive, stop and think about so called psychics logically

 

[selenau837]

It's how I survive, stop and think about so called psychics logically

There are quacks yes, but there are also some with God given talents. The real ones never charge for their abilities, and such. Plus that is such a huge scope. Some see spirits with perhial vision, some see them out right. Some can have premonitions, some can simply have dreams.

It is a huge realm and there are real ones and there are 'fake' real ones.

 

[Rich]

There are quacks yes, but there are also some with God given talents. .

How do you know this, because one or two people out of billions say they forsaw something ?
Anybody can draw up a list of predictions where at least one will come true at some point in time, keep an open mind

 

[selenau837]

How do you know this, because one or two people out of billions say they forsaw something ?
Anybody can draw up a list of predictions where at least one will come true at some point in time, keep an open mind

I have my reasons.

 

[Rich]

I have my reasons.

Do you believe yourself to be psychic?

 

[selenau837]

Do you believe yourself to be psychic?

No, I am not a psychic.

 

[Rich]

No, I am not a psychic.

There are one or two posting on the main board that at times certainly appear psychic

 

[selenau837]

There are one or two posting on the main board that at times certainly appear psychic

Hehe, Nope I'm not psychic, but I do believe in some rather different stuff on top of my christian beliefs. I'm truely torn because of that. However I know the answers will be given to me once I reach the gates of Heaven and am judge by the Lord Almighty himself.

This is a totally new subject and one I don't discuss much. My personal beliefs and such are rarely spoken outloud, except to a few people I truely trust and love dearly.

Sorry, Rich, Hope I hadn't disappointed you.

 

[ShaneMan]

Ok, here goes then. If psychics, divination etc are all evil, why does God grant that 'Gift' to certian people. By the bible it is wrong and your forever damned to hell. I don't understand that at all. Why give them a precious ability and then punish them for it?

Hey Selena,

What if they are not a gift from God? King Saul got in trouble, from God, for seeking counsel with a fortune teller. God has an enemy. That enemy has 1/3 of the heavens that fell with him and they possess supernatural powers. What if the gift isn't from God?

Shane

 

[selenau837]

Hey Selena,

What if they are not a gift from God? King Saul got in trouble, from God, for seeking counsel with a fortune teller. God has an enemy. That enemy has 1/3 of the heavens that fell with him and they possess supernatural powers. What if the gift isn't from God?

Shane

But God created us, therefore he would have given the gift. Satan doesn't bestowe those abilitys after birth. You are either born with them or you are not.

 

[ShaneMan]

But God created us, therefore he would have given the gift. Satan doesn't bestowe those abilitys after birth. You are either born with them or you are not.

Give me an example of how we would know someone was born with the gift, please.

 

[selenau837]

Give me an example of how we would know someone was born with the gift, please.

I have none that I can give at this moment in time. You probably don't believe people are born with 'Gifts'. However, I do. This is a belief that I have and will not be persuaded otherwise.

I am not trying to convince anyone of this. I am simply giving my thoughts and why I struggle with my christianity. Rich asked, so I gave.

 

[ShaneMan]

I have none that I can give at this moment in time. You probably don't believe people are born with 'Gifts'. However, I do. This is a belief that I have and will not be persuaded otherwise.

I am not trying to convince anyone of this. I am simply giving my thoughts and why I struggle with my christianity. Rich asked, so I gave.

Sorry for butting in! I thought I was maybe helping to think of it from a different angle since you said something about your christianity and other things fitting together. I'm not it ya'lls inner circle of conversationalist so I should have just read and stayed to myself.

I apologize,
Shane

 

[Rich]

Hey Selena,

What if they are not a gift from God? Shane

What if it's just a con?

 

[selenau837]

Sorry for butting in! I thought I was maybe helping to think of it from a different angle since you said something about your christianity and other things fitting together. I'm not it ya'lls inner circle of conversationalist so I should have just read and stayed to myself.

I apologize,
Shane

Nope, you weren't butting in. I just wasn't prepared for your question is all.

I appriciate the different angle, and I had thought of that before.

Now get back in here and finish.

 

[ShaneMan]

What if it's just a con?

There have been proven cases of them being a con. W.V. Grant; Peter Potioff (or something like that) are a couple of cases that I can think of off of the top of my head.

 

[selenau837]

There have been proven cases of them being a con. W.V. Grant; Peter Potioff (or something like that) are a couple of cases that I can think of off of the top of my head.

I'm unfamiliar with those people. Who are they want what did they do?

 

[ShaneMan]

Nope, you weren't butting in. I just wasn't prepared for your question is all.

I appriciate the different angle, and I had thought of that before.

Now get back in here and finish.

I guess I kind of thought, by your reply, that Rich asking questions is one thing but not from someone you've only see post a couple of times. I watch all of ya'll every day. I just choose to stay back and watch it happen, most of the time.

The reason for asking for an example is because I do believe God gives gifts but I also believe Satan enables with gifts too. He's the angel of light so that means he's going to get close to the way God does it but make sure it's off just enough to fool someone, so I was looking for an example of what would be a gift from birth just to see what kind of gifts you may be referring to. No big deal though.

 

[selenau837]

I guess I kind of thought, by your reply, that Rich asking questions is one thing but not from someone you've only see post a couple of times. I watch all of ya'll every day. I just choose to stay back and watch it happen, most of the time.

The reason for asking for an example is because I do believe God gives gifts but I also believe Satan enables with gifts too. He's the angel of light so that means he's going to get close to the way God does it but make sure it's off just enough to fool someone, so I was looking for an example of what would be a gift from birth just to see what kind of gifts you may be referring to. No big deal though.

You outa jump in more often.

I understand your question now, I thought you ment you wanted peopl's names .

As for examples of gifts. I am meaning like the ability to see spirits, to help them move towards the light. Abilities to fortell certian events. Have 'feelings' persay.

 

[ShaneMan]

You outa jump in more often.

I understand your question now, I thought you ment you wanted peopl's names .

As for examples of gifts. I am meaning like the ability to see spirits, to help them move towards the light. Abilities to fortell certian events. Have 'feelings' persay.

Sorry for the delay's. I have DSL and keep loosing my internet connection.

As for the gifts. Have you been told by other christians, that these sort of gifts would not go hand in hand with the Bible or basic christian beliefs?