In case anyone thought racism in America was dead . . .

[MSAccessRookie]

You must be checking the wrong media sources. What I heard was that Palin knocked it out of the park and Biden didn't lose but didn't win. He didn't lose because he was a gentleman (which was not expected).

I heard that it was a sleeper. Governor Palin answered few questions outright, and often appeared as if she were reading her answers off of a prompter, or maybe notecards (I will have to look for that), while Senator Biden blew several opportunities to provide strong responses that would have given him the outright win. Of Course, Fox News loved Governor Palin, while CNN and CNBC loved Senator Biden (Would anyone expect anything else?).

In all fairness, I was unable to see the debate live, but will see it on DVR tonight, so I hope to see it tonight to make up my own mind.

 

[Alisa]

I heard that it was a sleeper. Governor Palin answered few questions outright, and often appeared as if she were reading her answers off of a prompter, or maybe notecards (I will have to look for that), while Senator Biden blew several opportunities to provide strong responses that would have given him the outright win. Of Course, Fox News loved Governor Palin, while CNN and CNBC loved Senator Biden (Would anyone expect anything else?).

In all fairness, I was unable to see the debate live, but will see it on DVR tonight, so I hope to see it tonight to make up my own mind.

I thought it was pretty boring. But clearly, Joe Biden knew what he was talking about, while Sarah Palin bluffed her way through by repeating her memorized lines regardless of what the question was actually about. If you judge the debate on who had the most substantiative answers that were responsive to the question asked, Joe Biden won hands down. If you judge on some other criterion (who had prettier hair? who was "folksier"?) I guess you could make a case that Palin won.

 

[georgedwilkinson]

I voted for Carter and Clinton both and have come to my senses, realizing how mistaken I was. Does that count?

 

[Alisa]

I voted for Carter and Clinton both and have come to my senses, realizing how mistaken I was. Does that count?

Nope. They didn't put us on the road to WWIII and bring our economy to the brink of failure.

 

[KenHigg]

I thought it was pretty boring. But clearly, Joe Biden knew what he was talking about, while Sarah Palin bluffed her way through by repeating her memorized lines regardless of what the question was actually about. If you judge the debate on who had the most substantiative answers that were responsive to the question asked, Joe Biden won hands down. If you judge on some other criterion (who had prettier hair? who was "folksier"?) I guess you could make a case that Palin won.

You're grasping for anything to hang your hat on like a typical partisan puppet.

 

[Alisa]

You're grasping for anything to hang your hat on like a typical partisan puppet.

Interesting that you don't have any concrete criticisms of Biden or praise of Palin. Who is grasping?

 

[dkinley]

I thought the debate was pretty good. Quite the opposite of what we saw in the Presidential debate.

It still boils down to this for me, since my level of care for either candidate is the same ... My knowledge of the Democratic Party versus my knowledge of the Republican Party.

Democratic Party = socialism/communism/marxism.
Republican Party = freedom of choice.

If you want the previous move to a country that already participates in it and try it out. I served in the military in some of those countrie, I say no thanks. Quit trying to change a country that likes it freedoms.

If you haven't moved yet, it's obvious you like the latter.

-dK

 

[Banana]

Democratic Party = socialism/communism/marxism.
Republican Party = fascist/statist/plutocracy

T, FTFY.

Hmmm, who should I choose, Stalin or Mussolini?

Decisions, decisions.

Quite difficult decision, indeed! Stalin or Mussolini?

 

[dkinley]

hahaha

Plutocracy - good one, I like that. If those were my only choices, I'd move. If I couldn't move - I'd probably take a Mussolini.

-dK

 

[georgedwilkinson]

Nope. They didn't put us on the road to WWIII and bring our economy to the brink of failure.

Correction.

Carter totally screwed up our relationship with Islam by the poor way he handled Iran. That was the beginning of our problems. Also, during the Carter administration, we had the worst period of "stagflation" in the history of the US. In fact, that is where the term came from.

Clinton refused, several times, to take care of Osama bin Laden when the sniper's had him in their sites for personal political reasons. One word from him would have ended Al Quaeda. And the mess with Freddie & Fannie were started by Clinton (in all good faith, mind you).

Wasn't your candidate the number one acceptor of GSE hand-outs in the last 2 years?

 

[pbaldy]

Not the best quality video but raises questions about "They didn't ... bring our economy to the brink of failure:

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheMouthPeace

 

[georgedwilkinson]

Interesting that you don't have any concrete criticisms of Biden or praise of Palin. Who is grasping?

There's lots to praise about Palin, but I think you'd be bored with it quickly. Unfortunately, I was unable to listen to the entire debate last night though I caught about 10 minutes near the end. Best I can tell, she was able to string at least 2 sentences together (unlike Obama). Weren't you the one quoting that liberal lie earlier in the week, based on Katie Couric's highly edited propaganda clips of answers to questions she would never had had the gall to ask Obama? She must have been able to speak so well because she was un-edited.

As far as criticism of Biden: I think he did well (I'll let you know more when I listen to the debate). He certainly was a gentleman. Though, for the small amount of time I listened, it was clear he had his talking points: "change", "family around the table", all the blah, blah, crap Obama's spin doctors have been inundating you supporters with. My biggest complaint about Biden is that he's a liberal (3rd most liberal member of the Senate, 2 after Obama).

 

[Alisa]

Correction.

Carter totally screwed up our relationship with Islam by the poor way he handled Iran. That was the beginning of our problems. Also, during the Carter administration, we had the worst period of "stagflation" in the history of the US. In fact, that is where the term came from.

Clinton refused, several times, to take care of Osama bin Laden when the sniper's had him in their sites for personal political reasons. One word from him would have ended Al Quaeda. And the mess with Freddie & Fannie were started by Clinton (in all good faith, mind you).

Wasn't your candidate the number one acceptor of GSE hand-outs in the last 2 years?

I will defer to you on Carter, that was WAY before my time.

As for Clinton, you can place partial responsibility on him for not catching bin Laden earlier, but when the Bush administration received a national intelligence briefing that explicitly warned them that bin Laden was planning to fly planes into the WTC, and then completely IGNORED the threat, then I think the lion's share of the blame for not preventing 9/11 falls on the Bush administration. It's a matter of proximate cause. And if you really want to go back in history on bin Laden, then why were we funding the Taliban? Why was the CIA working WITH bin Laden? There is plenty of blame to be spread around for decades. But none of that changes the fact that the Bush administration was informed that there was an imminent threat, and apparently just didn't care.

And I don't know how you can talk about economic issues without talking about the 12 BILLION dollars we are spending every month in Iraq, a war that is now estimated at an eventual total cost of 3 TRILLION dollars.

 

[georgedwilkinson]

T, FTFY.

Hmmm, who should I choose, Stalin or Mussolini?

Decisions, decisions.

Quite difficult decision, indeed! Stalin or Mussolini?

Plutocracy, is that the one where Disney dogs are in charge?

BTW, I heard Ron Paul on the radio this morning. He said that the two candidates were essentially the same (you've said that before) and then proceeding to explain why the Democratic candidate's financial strategy was so much worse than the Republican. I was a little perplexed. It seemed clear that, if he doesn't/didn't run, that he's backing McCain.

 

[Alisa]

There's lots to praise about Palin, but I think you'd be bored with it quickly. Unfortunately, I was unable to listen to the entire debate last night though I caught about 10 minutes near the end. Best I can tell, she was able to string at least 2 sentences together (unlike Obama). Weren't you the one quoting that liberal lie earlier in the week, based on Katie Couric's highly edited propaganda clips of answers to questions she would never had had the gall to ask Obama? She must have been able to speak so well because she was un-edited.

As far as criticism of Biden: I think he did well (I'll let you know more when I listen to the debate). He certainly was a gentleman. Though, for the small amount of time I listened, it was clear he had his talking points: "change", "family around the table", all the blah, blah, crap Obama's spin doctors have been inundating you supporters with. My biggest complaint about Biden is that he's a liberal (3rd most liberal member of the Senate, 2 after Obama).

I'll be insterested in your thoughts after you watch the whole thing. Yes, she absolutely was able to string a couple of (run-on, grammatically incorrect) sentences together. But she didn't actually anwer any of the questions that were being asked, she didn't (couldn't?) defend McCain when Biden attacked his record, she made blatant errors on several things, like mis-stating McCain's policy on bankruptcy reform, the name of the commander in Afghanistan, etc. But hey, she can pronounce Achmadinejad (sp?) like nobody's business.

I think the reason that she had a few disasterous moments with Couric is because when Sarah just went off on her talking points instead of responding to the actual question, Couric would push the point and ask for more specifics, etc. Whereas in the debate, Gwen asked the question once and then moved on. There was never any pressure for her to actually come up with anything detailed or specific or even mildly relevant to the topic at hand.

 

[georgedwilkinson]

who had prettier hair?

Ooooo, the claws come out.

 

[KenHigg]

Interesting that you don't have any concrete criticisms of Biden or praise of Palin. Who is grasping?

IMHO, your particular 'concrete criticisms' to this point are all part of the media circus. Consider yourself as having been sucked into the American partisan political system. Blatant, dogmatic criticism of either Biden or Palin (or anyone for that matter) is no way to try and win another vote for your side. Unless that isn't your intention and you just like hearing yourself talk...

 

[KenHigg]

... the name of the commander in Afghanistan, etc.

Ah... Nice to know you finally have some real substance

 

[georgedwilkinson]

I'll be insterested in your thoughts after you watch the whole thing. Yes, she absolutely was able to string a couple of (run-on, grammatically incorrect) sentences together. But she didn't actually anwer any of the questions that were being asked, she didn't (couldn't?) defend McCain when Biden attacked his record, she made blatant errors on several things, like mis-stating McCain's policy on bankruptcy reform, the name of the commander in Afghanistan, etc. But hey, she can pronounce Achmadinejad (sp?) like nobody's business.

I think the reason that she had a few disasterous moments with Couric is because when Sarah just went off on her talking points instead of responding to the actual question, Couric would push the point and ask for more specifics, etc. Whereas in the debate, Gwen asked the question once and then moved on. There was never any pressure for her to actually come up with anything detailed or specific or even mildly relevant to the topic at hand.

I'll give you my opinion when I get a chance to watch.

Another thought about why she had problems with Couric's interview: the questions were insulting and clearly designed to annoy. Who gives a crap what magazine she reads? How is that going to help her govern? Why didn't anybody ask Obama that (he has less experience than Palin)? If Sarah the marvelous, wonderful, lovely hair lady mentions a certain magazine (and she knows this) she will be ridiculed for reading that particular magazine over some other by somebody...it doesn't matter what her answer was to that question, it was wrong. A stupid question doesn't even deserve an answer. She gave more than I would (and much more gracefully-must be because she's young and beautiful while I'm an old prune).

 

[georgedwilkinson]

IMHO, your particular 'concrete criticisms' to this point are all part of the media circus. Consider yourself as having been sucked into the American partisan political system. Blatant, dogmatic criticism of either Biden or Palin (or anyone for that matter) is no way to try and win another vote for your side. Unless that isn't your intention and you just like hearing yourself talk...

It's spin, Ken. Hey, that rhymed...dang I'm good ([spin]but old and unbeautiful, unlike Sarah Palin the sturdy and much maligned by the left[/spin]).