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If you wanted to ask about my housekeeper in Kuwait, you would have asked. She wasn't a nanny BTW. Nannies are people who raise the children of rich parents who are too busy to do it themselves. Instead, you chose to make smarmy accusations which you are now pretending you didn't mean and are accusing me of being overly sensitive. How many employees did you think I had in my household? Could there have been any confusion regarding just which one you were asking about?

If you really want to know the answer, look up the original thread. I described how the expat community finds household help in Kuwait, where she came from, and who sold her to the Kuwaiti which explained why she had nowhere to go even if I had had enough money to purchase her freedom.
 
So why did you write 'my daughter's first nanny was a sex slave'? Now you say she wasn't a nanny. What are we to believe?
Col
 
I wonder if Pat has me on ignore again. She certainly seems to ignore my questions. You'd think over 24 hours would allow enough time to dream up an answer.
Don't forget the other question- what is 'pound sand'?
Col
 
@ColinEssex

"Pound sand" is a suggestion to go sit on a beach, sometimes referred to as "pound sand up your... anatomy." It is a suggestion to walk away from something, go find a pleasant shore setting, and try to relax; it is a somewhat dismissive version of "chill out, dude."
 
The_Doc_Man said:
@ColinEssex

"Pound sand" is a suggestion to go sit on a beach, sometimes referred to as "pound sand up your... anatomy." It is a suggestion to walk away from something, go find a pleasant shore setting, and try to relax; it is a somewhat dismissive version of "chill out, dude."
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Sounds a bit rude to me, not a phrase used in the UK as far as I know.
So can the sand be more than a pound in weight? If not, you would need some kitchen scales handy.
Col
 
ColinEssex said:
I wonder if Pat has me on ignore again. She certainly seems to ignore my questions. You'd think over 24 hours would allow enough time to dream up an answer.
Don't forget the other question- what is 'pound sand'?
Col
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It means basically go away, or f** off, or bugger off.
 
Isaac said:
It means basically go away, or f** off, or bugger off.
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So to say to someone 'pound sand' is a perfectly acceptable comment in the USA, not really offensive at all. For example, to say it to a stranger in a bar, or a child to say it to a teacher or to say it to a police officer would be acceptable.
After Doc's explanation, I thought it meant how sitting on sand, it can get in all sorts of bodily crevices making it uncomfortable. Isaac's explanation is fairly precise, but as it is a perfectly normal thing to say, I suspect we may have similar meaning phrases in the UK, I'll have a think. It seems a good way of avoiding answering questions.
Col
 
We all know that at least one American here did or still does employ staff (in various guises) to do housekeeping or as a nanny, maybe a chauffeur or gardener or cook.
Also, I've noticed on various US TV shows like Columbo or various US films, the house owner has staff to do the work. Usually the slaves - sorry, staff are Mexican. Is it normal for Americans to employ staff to raise their children and do all other duties? Americans seem to hate Mexicans yet seem happy to employ them in their household.
Col
 
@ColinEssex

With this message, you are hereby getting a public reprimand for that question about hiring staff. Phrased the way you phrased it, you are OBVIOUSLY directing it at a particular member, a person who is known to be bothered by your continued unwarranted attention. You know there IS a rule about respecting other members. Your continued focus on that issue is unkind, totally unneeded, and quite disrespectful. I ask you now, one more time, to please let it go. Even if Pat has you on IGNORE (and I wouldn't blame her a bit for doing so), I have the obligation as a moderator to watch for unruly behavior. Right now, you are on the thin edge of such behavior. I am offended by it because I dislike watching something that looks very much like on-line bullying. STOP IT.

Since I didn't ban you, I will at least offer your the courtesy of answering your questions just in hopes that you will let them be.

Yes, there are people in the USA who are wealthy enough to hire personal assistants as cooks, chauffers, housekeepers, etc. We also hire people (who are DEFINITELY not usually "live-in" help) to manage our finances and advise us on our health. For a while when my mother was recovering from carpal tunnel surgery, we hired a once-a-week housekeeper. Dad was a fireman and wasn't home half the time, and I was too young to do much good at cleaning. I was still too clumsy. (I do not claim that the latter condition has improved greatly, which is why I'm not a surgeon.)

Having said that, it is predominantly the case that MOST of the people in the USA do NOT have hired help. The ones who do have either wealth to spare or a great necessity.

"Pound sand" is a euphemism that is more polite than outright saying "f**k off" because unlike "FO", "Pound Sand" carries the connotation of "let it go" or "move along, there's nothing here to see" or "go somewhere else and chill." Said to a person in authority, it might be taken as an insult, so no, you would not say it to a police officer. In most contexts, "FO" is a FAR stronger and FAR more dismissive statement.
 
Have I made statements and then contradicted them in a later post? - no
Have I questioned such contradictions as to what is the truth or is it all fabrication? Yes but get no response so I ask again.
Have I made comments to other members about wife bashing? - no
Have I ever told a member the equivalent to F/O? No, certainly not language I use
Maybe I should have done those things, too late now.

I won't go on as it would think that this post will be deleted along with me. It's probably for the best.

May I just say before I go. I would like to thank Pat and others for helping me when I wrote databases. Pat has fantastic Access knowledge and it's much appreciated by hundreds. Over the last twenty odd years I've often been thankful for direct and indirect help Pat has given.
When I think back to past members like Rich and Cindy Mrs Gorilla (who still keeps in touch) I've made some good online friends.
Yes, I admit my style has irritated some. I've had it all my life, in my school reports and at work. I remember one boss in the 60's said I have an arrogant and belligerent attitude. At school, teachers said I have an annoying attitude. I wish I didn't, but I'm too old to change now.
I dont know how much of my comments are due to cultural differences - I mean, comments acceptable in the UK may appear not acceptable in the USA. Who knows?
I wish you all well, and I'm sorry I generated so much hatred by my style. Thank you, to Jon for twenty odd years of community enjoyment.
Col
 
As usual, you offer a cloud of obfuscation and denial. Yes, there is that saying about leopards changing their spots. You CAN be so charming when you want to be. But sometimes you don't know when to stop. And in that, you are your own worst enemy.

Col, you have not (yet) been banned and in fact, that was never my preference. You were warned about behavior that very strongly resembles online bullying. I made it public because it is good for other members, particularly new ones, to know that
(a) we are concerned about decent vs. offensive behavior and
(b) we ARE watching what is being posted. Sure, some stuff slips through the cracks - but we DO watch.

I won't apologize for trying to uphold this site's standards on member respect. The WORLD would be better off if we could maintain respect for each other.

If you want to stay and generally bash the USA or Meghan, we'll expect that of you and dismiss the comments. After all, neither of those targets is a forum member. We usually ignore that kind of post anyway.

Pat is not so thin-skinned as to react to you. As a moderator, she could have canned you in a heartbeat, but she recognizes the conflict of interest that such an action would represent. Therefore, she probably just ignores you. I was offended by your action and I have no such conflict of interest.

I will ask this much of you: If YOU want to go, then go, with or without banning. If you want to stay, then stay. However, if you choose to stay, let go of that bone and go chew on another one. Please remember that offensive behavior is something that Jon doesn't like, and it is his site. It is one of the few reasons for which he allows permanent bans.
 
The_Doc_Man said:
@ColinEssex

With this message, you are hereby getting a public reprimand for that question about hiring staff. Phrased the way you phrased it, you are OBVIOUSLY directing it at a particular member, a person who is known to be bothered by your continued unwarranted attention. You know there IS a rule about respecting other members. Your continued focus on that issue is unkind, totally unneeded, and quite disrespectful. I ask you now, one more time, to please let it go. Even if Pat has you on IGNORE (and I wouldn't blame her a bit for doing so), I have the obligation as a moderator to watch for unruly behavior. Right now, you are on the thin edge of such behavior. I am offended by it because I dislike watching something that looks very much like on-line bullying. STOP IT.

Since I didn't ban you, I will at least offer your the courtesy of answering your questions just in hopes that you will let them be.

Yes, there are people in the USA who are wealthy enough to hire personal assistants as cooks, chauffers, housekeepers, etc. We also hire people (who are DEFINITELY not usually "live-in" help) to manage our finances and advise us on our health. For a while when my mother was recovering from carpal tunnel surgery, we hired a once-a-week housekeeper. Dad was a fireman and wasn't home half the time, and I was too young to do much good at cleaning. I was still too clumsy. (I do not claim that the latter condition has improved greatly, which is why I'm not a surgeon.)

Having said that, it is predominantly the case that MOST of the people in the USA do NOT have hired help. The ones who do have either wealth to spare or a great necessity.

"Pound sand" is a euphemism that is more polite than outright saying "f**k off" because unlike "FO", "Pound Sand" carries the connotation of "let it go" or "move along, there's nothing here to see" or "go somewhere else and chill." Said to a person in authority, it might be taken as an insult, so no, you would not say it to a police officer. In most contexts, "FO" is a FAR stronger and FAR more dismissive statement.
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I can't believe I'm posting something that appears anything like defending Col, but @The_Doc_Man , if you really think that, I think you have missed reading the post that I alluded to (of Pat's), which Col referred to, which completely backs up his question. She literally had said that very thing - and he was only repeating it. The timing and tone may have been especially effective in a hurtful way, yet, he was pretty much quoting what she had previously said, almost word for word precisely. I don't think you've read that post.
 
ColinEssex said:
We all know that at least one American here did or still does employ staff (in various guises) to do housekeeping or as a nanny, maybe a chauffeur or gardener or cook.
Also, I've noticed on various US TV shows like Columbo or various US films, the house owner has staff to do the work. Usually the slaves - sorry, staff are Mexican. Is it normal for Americans to employ staff to raise their children and do all other duties? Americans seem to hate Mexicans yet seem happy to employ them in their household.
Col
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Like all countries, people get hired according to a combination of what their skills are as well as what other options they have available, as well as what they're willing to do.

It's common in the USA and most other developed countries, yes, for poorer or less-documented immigrants to work in tasks such as nanny, gardening, janitorial, etc. Many US citizens work in these jobs too
 
I respect everyone, but I just literally am incapable of not chiming in with the truth as I see it.

This post:

I believe Slavery was an Evolutionary Step...

My home city of Bristol was built on the riches from slavery. Edward Colston was a prolific slave trader, and Bristol made millions from the USA who needed slaves. In Bristol, there are many examples of how slave money benefitted the city. If it wasn't for slaves, Bristol would have to rely more...
www.access-programmers.co.uk
When I was living in Kuwait, my daughter's first nanny was a sex slave.

Later, Col said this:
"Just out of interest, what country was the one you hired in Q8 to bring up your daughter for you?"

I fail to see, Doc, how you are reaching the conclusion that literally repeating what someone has said back to them is so inappropriate as to merit a reprimand, and I doubt you do either, so I give you the benefit of the doubt that you had not read the original post I linked above.
 
Isaac said:
I can't believe I'm posting something that appears anything like defending Col, but @The_Doc_Man , if you really think that, I think you have missed reading the post that I alluded to (of Pat's), which Col referred to, which completely backs up his question. She literally had said that very thing - and he was only repeating it. The timing and tone may have been especially effective in a hurtful way, yet, he was pretty much quoting what she had previously said, almost word for word precisely. I don't think you've read that post.
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Isaac said:
I respect everyone, but I just literally am incapable of not chiming in with the truth as I see it.

This post:

I believe Slavery was an Evolutionary Step...

My home city of Bristol was built on the riches from slavery. Edward Colston was a prolific slave trader, and Bristol made millions from the USA who needed slaves. In Bristol, there are many examples of how slave money benefitted the city. If it wasn't for slaves, Bristol would have to rely more...
www.access-programmers.co.uk
When I was living in Kuwait, my daughter's first nanny was a sex slave.

Later, Col said this:
"Just out of interest, what country was the one you hired in Q8 to bring up your daughter for you?"

I fail to see, Doc, how you are reaching the conclusion that literally repeating what someone has said back to them is so inappropriate as to merit a reprimand, and I doubt you do either, so I give you the benefit of the doubt that you had not read the original post I linked above.
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@Isaac - I am WELL AWARE of the comment Pat made and the response that Col initially made. It wasn't the fact of the original comment, because I participated in that thread. (See post #27 thereof, which close comes after Pat's post #24.) And while you are at it, look at the reply by our friend Kita Yama (#33) in that thread, exposing Col's tactic. Then we had to close that thread for a while because it became too heated and involved some deleted messages (#43). Then step back to comments in the #70s to see that Pat asked Col to let it go (not in those exact words.) Uncle Gizmo stepped in and made a passing comment about Col's behavior on this one.

My issue was that Pat and Col have gone around and around the mulberry bush several times over this comment, so many times that Pat expressed her displeasure and Col would not let it go. It is the repetitious sniping by Col that triggered my response. My response in that thread was initially because Col used a vulgarity that was uncalled for. I then responded to his claim of diminished importance of the topic, which at the time I though was an incorrect viewpoint. (And I still think that Slavery is still an issue for a very large part of the world's population.)

Isaac, I'm going to also reply directly to your comment this way: I believe you lack complete context of this issue and therefore don't realize this isn't the first time these two have blown up on the same topic. With a more complete context, you would clearly understand that it wasn't Col's actual comment (which in itself was rather innocuous), it was his repetitive sniping.

In my original warning in this thread (#969), I used the sentences: "you are OBVIOUSLY directing it at a particular member, a person who is known to be bothered by your continued unwarranted attention." and "Your continued focus on that issue is unkind, totally unneeded, and quite disrespectful." If it had been a one-time thing, why would I have TWICE used the term "continued"? I hope that clarifies the issue for you. I tried to make my complaint against Col specific enough, but you may have missed that fine point regarding continued attacks.
 
Hmm.
Ok.
Well your point is well taken by me on some of the additional context that you explain to me about a lot of back and forth.
I still have to say if you look at Pat's first response to his comment, it definitely seemed like she simply forgot that she had said that exact thing in a previous post. Anyway it's none of my business from here on out. Cheerio.
 
I think I'm going to unwatch this thread to avoid tempting myself further.

It's been a great ride but I think we're a fair bit away from ice in Antarctica
 
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