Question on American politics

[FoFa]

Lisa

No offense taken. Actually, I don't think I can be offended

Mike

Your a stinking liberal!

 

[Mike375]

Yes...I believe we should all be liberated from any and all gov't intervention

 

[jsanders]

Yes...I believe we should all be liberated from any and all gov't intervention

You mean like the CDC, the FBI, and the EPA.

Next we'll hear that OSHA has made America uncompetitive.

 

[FoFa]

You mean like the CDC, the FBI, and the EPA.

Next we'll hear that OSHA has made America uncompetitive.

OSHA has contributed to the cost associated with doing business, and so, has contributed to the uncompetitiveness of America.
However I can't at least in the case of OSHA, that is bad thing. Safety first!
But as with any government agency, they grow and dictate to increase they power, not always to the original mission they were created for.
About the ONLY government agency that was NOT true for was the Military, until Katrina and the national Guard kicking people out of their houses.....
I took the military oath, it says (paraphrasing here) to protect from enemies, foreign and domestic. I didn't see any enemies in those people being kicked out of their homes by the National Guard, at least until after they were kicked out....

 

[statsman]

About the ONLY government agency that was NOT true for was the Military, until Katrina and the national Guard kicking people out of their houses.....
I took the military oath, it says (paraphrasing here) to protect from enemies, foreign and domestic. I didn't see any enemies in those people being kicked out of their homes by the National Guard, at least until after they were kicked out....

It was my understanding that in the US the National Guard is run by the States. In essence a state militia. The Guard can be federalized on a direct order of the President but do they take the same oath as the regular Army?
Isn't it the Govenor of LA who should take the fall for this one?

 

[Keith Nichols]

Sometimes I think that is a blessing. Because both parties (in America) have too many people way out on the fringes; trying to reform the world in their image. So when the government is divided the less changes we see for the worst.

From over the waters, it is very difficult for Brits and other Western 'democracy' types to distinguish between the US Left and Right. The appear mostly right and very right, in the wrong kind of way.

I add the caveat as I am not a lefty as such, although I have a tender heart, but mostly I'm into small (read miniscule) government and everything that exceeds the absolute bare minimum required for cohesion is some sort of ill defined corruption.

getting back to your post, the best US goverments/presidents have been those innefectual ones that are mostly lambasted if ermembered at all, and the reason they are best is that they were weak and inefectual and so didn't have th power to eff anything up. Don't missunderstand this as an anti-US tirade as I see the same dynamic developing in other Western Democracies, but the US is leading the rest of us over the cliff.

 

[FoFa]

It was my understanding that in the US the National Guard is run by the States. In essence a state militia. The Guard can be federalized on a direct order of the President but do they take the same oath as the regular Army?
Isn't it the Govenor of LA who should take the fall for this one?

When I took the oath, National Guard and part timers (inactive) were taking the same oath with me. Now I could be wrong, but I think the National Guard fall under the federal gov. but are assigned to the states (basically).
I also believe it is the governor of LA that was to blame. mostly because of the of the laws that force the federal gov. out until the local (state in this case) request action.

 

[FoFa]

From over the waters, it is very difficult for Brits and other Western 'democracy' types to distinguish between the US Left and Right. The appear mostly right and very right, in the wrong kind of way.

Because we aren't socialists, basically.
Now with the current admin. this seems to have changed somewhat. But typically the left believes in bigger gov. to control mostly everything (big brother knows best). The right believes in bigger business, smaller gov. and people should make the most of their lives (basically).

I add the caveat as I am not a lefty as such, although I have a tender heart, but mostly I'm into small (read miniscule) government and everything that exceeds the absolute bare minimum required for cohesion is some sort of ill defined corruption.

Maybe the definition of left and right is different and there might be the issue. Just guessing mind you. I have faith RICH will set us straight.

getting back to your post, the best US goverments/presidents have been those innefectual ones that are mostly lambasted if ermembered at all, and the reason they are best is that they were weak and inefectual and so didn't have th power to eff anything up. Don't missunderstand this as an anti-US tirade as I see the same dynamic developing in other Western Democracies, but the US is leading the rest of us over the cliff.

I am going to agree somewhat, and disagree somewhat.
ineffectual presidents are good thing when we have someone like Clinton in. But then there becomes a time when you have to move forward.
Now I don't 100% get the "leading over a cliff" statement, as I don't think that. I don't also think Iraq is working out for the best either, and I can't say was the proper choice going there or not. BUT as long as all those extremist Muslims want to fight in Iraq rather than other countries, well I can't really say that is bad thing either. AND if you think you are being lead "over a cliff", what does that say about you?

 

[Rich]

BUT as long as all those extremist Muslims want to fight in Iraq rather than other countries, well I can't really say that is bad thing either.

What a pity extremist Yanks don't stay at home rather than invading other countries. Why not start your own civil war again instead of using somebody elses country

 

[FoFa]

What a pity extremist Yanks don't stay at home rather than invading other countries. Why not start your own civil war again instead of using somebody elses country

Yea, Yea, I repeat what you quoted.

 

[Rich]

Yea, Yea, I repeat what you quoted.

Why, lost for words?

 

[FoFa]

Why, lost for words?

Nope, nothing to respond to other than that.

 

[Rich]

Nope, nothing to respond to other than that.

The response is as nonsensical as your original post

 

[FoFa]

The response is as nonsensical as your original post

Umm, sorry to point out, if something was nonsensical, it was your reply.
It contained no new information from a RICH perspective.
It did not add to the conversation.
It was either just a poor "off-the-cuff" response OR a response in the guise of an attack to elicit an emotional response from others.
In short,

 

[ColinEssex]

I don't also think Iraq is working out for the best either,

why's that then Fo? seems ok from America's perspective surely, plenty of killing, loads of innocent people dead, loads of US soldiers dead. Thats what Bush is striving for.

Whats the problem?

Col

 

[FoFa]

why's that then Fo? seems ok from America's perspective surely, plenty of killing, loads of innocent people dead, loads of US soldiers dead. Thats what Bush is striving for.
Whats the problem?
Col

And the speech where Bush actually said that?
And how is it all of a sudden you can speak on the American perspective?

 

[ColinEssex]

And the speech where Bush actually said that?

he's doing it

And how is it all of a sudden you can speak on the American perspective?

You said Iraq was not working out for the best.
But being as Americans love guns, killing things, blowing things up, holding people without trial etc - I would have thought it was ok from an American perspective - lots of deaths, guns and the like.

Col

 

[Rich]

Umm, sorry to point out, if something was nonsensical, it was your reply.
It contained no new information from a RICH perspective.
It did not add to the conversation.
It was either just a poor "off-the-cuff" response OR a response in the guise of an attack to elicit an emotional response from others.
In short,

And your original post contained nothing more than a typical Republican response. Create the conditions for a civil war and then blame somebody else for it. Who were the extremists in your own little squabble back in the 19th cent. by the way?

 

[FoFa]

And your original post contained nothing more than a typical Republican response.

All I said was I found it humorous, you added all that extra stuff that had nothing to do with my post.
So like the typical European, you just in with no good reason.
Telling others where they are wrong in your opinion.
Telling others basically how if you had your way......
Yet you have no real clue as to how the world may work outside your little world.

 

[FoFa]

he's doing it

Doing what? I can't find him giving any speeches right now.

You said Iraq was not working out for the best.
But being as Americans love guns, killing things, blowing things up, holding people without trial etc - I would have thought it was ok from an American perspective - lots of deaths, guns and the like.

You are right, I did say that, but no where did I say all that other stuff.
Like the typical European you add to it to fit your little world, even though it might not have any real bearing on the world as a whole.
Oh, the big guy is beating up on the little guy, owwwww.
No wonder the Germans ran amuck over most of Europe. Probably would have had Britain if it wasn't for that whole channel thing you had going in your favor. Oh wait, now you have a big tunnel to help out the next time one of your fruitcake breatheren decide to take over the world.