Shootings in Tucson

[Kryst51]

Cols here as Davep

Which bit made you think it was Col?

Well.... Col says he has SEVERAL nomikers, so he technically could be here as Davep and as AnthonyGerrard... Your comment was of the "devil's advocate" type, which is a typical Colin kind of statement. If you're not, then I'm sorry. But I bet you and he get along famously

 

[dan-cat]

Oh and on the matter whether the common man has the mental capacity to respond appropriately when armed and stressed, I refer you to the infamous snowball fight.

Link

This individual was actually professionally trained in it's use. What's the guarantee of Public Joe being able to behave any better?

Carrying a handgun puts one in the state of mind that the majority of people cannot handle.

Still I hope the vid serves to show our British friends that our youth are not all gun-toting wannabees and do have their own outlook on what is reasonable.

 

[Alc]

What about carrying explosives? Poison gas? according to http://www.thefreedictionary.com/arms
'arms' aren't limited to guns, so those who wanted to could just as reasonably argue that it was intended that all Americans have the right to own explosives, poison, spears, machetes, etc.

People trained in their use would do so safely (so goes the usual line). People not worried about being safe but believing they know best would still carry them. You could get the same cliched arguments about how explosives aren't just used to kill people, but have many other uses.

Are pro gun people in favour of anyone being allowed to own a weapon of any kind?

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

Could you enlarge on this, Tony's question seems perfectly reasonable, not that Col's never are.

Brian

Thanks Brian - I though it fairly reasonable too.

I feel Cols hard done by sometimes , now I walk in his shoes.

 

[Rabbie]

now I walk in his shoes.

That's very generous of him to lend you his shoes

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

Well.... Col says he has SEVERAL nomikers, so he technically could be here as Davep and as AnthonyGerrard... Your comment was of the "devil's advocate" type, which is a typical Colin kind of statement. If you're not, then I'm sorry. But I bet you and he get along famously

Me and Col get along alright - It wasn't a devils advocate type question - I wanted to know the logic of the right to bear arms - and when the same logic stops.

With who , with what - does the right to bear arms follow?

 

[Kryst51]

Thanks Brian - I though it fairly reasonable too.

I feel Cols hard done by sometimes , now I walk in his shoes.

I'm not saying its unreasonable, Just that it is a very Col-esque question to ask.

So how doe his shoes feel? Are they comfortable?

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

That's very generous of him to lend you his shoes

A very comfortable hush puppy size 9. Every now and again a bother boot.

 

[Alc]

I'm not saying its unreasonable, Just that it is a very Col-esque question to ask.

Make up your mind - which is it?

 

[Kryst51]

Me and Col get along alright - It wasn't a devils advocate type question - I wanted to know the logic of the right to bear arms - and when the same logic stops.

With who , with what - does the right to bear arms follow?

Well, I think the scope of the conversation is that it is in the American constitution that Americans are allowed to bear arms.... So I think extending that conversation to the rest of the world, I don't want to venture to comment, I don't know really.

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

I'm not saying its unreasonable, Just that it is a very Col-esque question to ask.

So how doe his shoes feel? Are they comfortable?

Back to the question - with who and with which weapons does this right to bear arms stop?

 

[Kryst51]

Make up your mind - which is it?

I never said it was unreasonable, just a devil's advocate kind of question.... So technically I haven't changed my mind, just clarified it a bit.

 

[Kryst51]

Back to the question - with who and with which weapons does this right to bear arms stop?

See my comment in post #150

 

[Alc]

I never said it was unreasonable, just a devil's advocate kind of question.... So technically I haven't changed my mind, just clarified it a bit.

It was a joke (hence the little smilie).
Many (most?) of Col's questions are, at best, leading and inflammatory and often unreasonable.

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

See my comment in post #150

I dont know if you are pro or ante -

but I assume your stance would be the same in any country in the world?

 

[dan-cat]

Back to the question - with who and with which weapons does this right to bear arms stop?

It's based on an outdated principle and as such you'll find it easily jars when applied to modern situations.

 

[Kryst51]

I dont know if you are pro or ante -

but I assume your stance would be the same in any country in the world?

I personally don't own a gun, but I believe in the right to own one..... Especially in regards to keeping one in a home for protection. More specifically I think about single women and/or children in the house, I think men are generally more capable of protecting themselves in lesss violent ways. If someone were attacking my child (I don't have any, this is hypothetical) I wouldn't hesitate to shoot them if I had a gun. If they were stealing something and that's all they were doing, I would just leave well enough alone. If another country wants to adopt the same, then OK.... If they want to use that as an excuse to terrorize (and I am not assuming everyone does) then I think other countries have a right to step in for the sake of civility (as Dan-Cat put it). If we as Americans got out of hand with our guns, then sure measures need to be taken to change that, but I think those "getting out of hand" with guns are appropriately dealt with through the justice system, and laws are set up accordingly (by state). Though I know our justice system isn't perfect, but whose is. Anything man-made (including government) will always be flawed.

EDIT: I am not trained to use a gun, so wouldn't feel comfortable with one, but I have friends who have them.

 

[dan-cat]

I feel Cols hard done by sometimes , now I walk in his shoes.

The faux self-pity. All so familiar...

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

The faux self-pity. All so familiar...

What do you mean?

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

I personally don't own a gun, but I believe in the right to own one..... Especially in regards to keeping one in a home for protection. More specifically I think about single women and/or children in the house, I think men are generally more capable of protecting themselves in lesss violent ways. If someone were attacking my child (I don't have any, this is hypothetical) I wouldn't hesitate to shoot them if I had a gun. If they were stealing something and that's all they were doing, I would just leave well enough alone. If another country wants to adopt the same, then OK.... If they want to use that as an excuse to terrorize (and I am not assuming everyone does) then I think other countries have a right to step in for the sake of civility (as Dan-Cat put it). If we as Americans got out of hand with our guns, then sure measures needto be taken to change that, but I think those "getting out of hand" with guns are appropriately dealt with through the justic system, and laws are set up accordingly (by state). Though I know our justice system isn't perfect, but whose is. Anything man-made (including government) will always be flawed.

EDIT: I am not trained to use a gun, so wouldn't feel comfortable with one, but I have friends who have them.

Most of the world would say - you as Americans have got out of hand with your guns , domestically or internationally?