Shootings in Tucson

[dan-cat]

We've become Americanised, what with gun crime, a sue all culture et.,etc.

Nevermind, at least you lead the way in CCTV

 

[Thales750]

If you send a Texan they would only make them watch the Aggies (Texas A&M) or the Longhorns (University of Texas), depending on who was talking..... but accent wise anyone from the South would do...

As you well know, Texas is not the South.

Go Hokies.

 

[Rich]

Pretty soon you'll be watching Nascar... and liking it!

(I hate Nascar, for the record lol)

Not lucking fikely

 

[Kryst51]

As you well know, Texas is not the South.

Go Hokies.

I never said it was..... Only that IF a Texan were sent what would happen and if anyone else from the South (Non-Texan) were sent it would do....

 

[Thales750]

I never said it was..... Only that IF a Texan were sent what would happen and if anyone else from the South (Non-Texan) were sent it would do....

I was joking you, people (Texas wanna-bees) seem to think those thoughts.

"Don't Mess with Texas". Most people don't know what that means either.

 

[Thales750]

Not lucking fikely

Come on Rich,
Nascar is so much fun...

Actually Like Vas, I have not seen more than 60 seconds of Nascasr in my life.

 

[Brianwarnock]

Actually Like Vas, I have not seen more than 60 seconds of Nascasr in my life.

Then you've seen it all

Brian

 

[Kryst51]

I was joking you, people (Texas wanna-bees) seem to think those thoughts.

"Don't Mess with Texas". Most people don't know what that means either.

I once got into an argument with a friend (while I lived in CT) who had just moved from Tennessee.... He said Texas wasn't part of the South..... Boy did we get into it....

"Don't Mess with Texas" - The best anti-littering campaign ever.....

 

[Vassago]

Not lucking fikely

Oh come now Rich. I'm sure we'll get you in suspenders and a Dale Earnhart Jr hat soon enough. We might even be able to make your teeth the color of chewed tobacco and make you acquire a taste for Natural Ice or Budwieser.

The next thing we all know, he'll have cars he lost in his front yard because the grass is too high.

 

[Vassago]

Then you've seen it all

Brian

Isn't that the truth...

Seriously, I could never get into any racing, at least not watching it. I do enjoy some racing games though.

 

[ChipperT]

Try again genius, the spelling and grammer are faultless. You must be another one of those left wingnuts who can only make unintelligent and baseless claims to smear someone.

ROFL! Faultless? I think that all of the sentence fragments you so carefully cobbled together in your rant would belie that, along with "idoits" along with "our" instead of "or". Oh, and we should not overlook your Palin-like coining of words, such as "libtard" when you can't think of a real one to fit your drivel.

Jus' sayin'

 

[Thales750]

I have guns and ammunition. If any of you would like to confiscate my guns and ammunition, please stand in a single file line. I will be happy to surrender my ammunition to you, at a distance, one round at a time. When I run out of ammunition to surrender, I will happily turn over my weapon and allow you to take possession of it butt / stock first via your forehead. If you fail to retain possession of the weapon properly, I will try again until you can no longer accept the transfer or there is no more of you in line.

Forgive me for running on; perhaps I should temper my own ravings.

In the meantime back to the subject, and my propensity to defend against the rantings of the ultra far right, and in particular the “Libertarians”.

Gun ownership, for better or worse, is a constitutional right. Now over time the spirit and practice of these rights has changed. But that does not mean that it gives carte blanche to everyone to claim they would kill to protect this right. Especially since killing or dying is not necessary to preserve this right. This has been proven time and time again. It is highly unlikely that the US will have a gun ban in the foreseeable future.

The problem with the far right rhetoric, is that it fuels disparity when none need exist. Guns are here to stay folks, but the continuing insanity parroted by the right only serves to divide a nation that is in serious need of coming together.

All issues that focus on eliciting extreme reaction are merely a smoke screen to keep the people in power, that feed off of this division. The Western World faces challenges that we have not seen since the Great Depression or at Least WWII. Mainly that we are engaged in senseless arguments; when every day the Financial Institutions thrive on this chaos.

Financial Institutions and Insurance Companies are the enemy of free enterprise, and the self actuation of the individual. As long as we fight about stupid things, we are doomed to slavery.

America was formed to end the tyranny, of a few families controlling all of the wealth. Yet even as it is happening before our very eyes, the supporters of this massacre of the middle class rave about killing people that would take their guns, when the very people they support in Congress are the very same ones that are supporting their demise.

A nation so passionate about such irrelevant issues is doomed to follow countries that practiced the same Dogma. In 1936 Germany was plunged into their near destruction, and the destruction of the entire planet, by a maniac that played on the extreme ideas of a few.

The far right must be made to see the fallacy of their ways, lest the end of the American dream is visited upon us.

 

[Vassago]

I would say the same can be said for the far left. They need to come together and stop undoing each other's work. It's a waste of my money and I'm sick of it! We also need to do away with the ability for corporations to fund political elections. Without this, the country will continue to be divided and the division will continue to increase.

 

[ChipperT]

Forgive me for running on; perhaps I should temper my own ravings.

In the meantime back to the subject, and my propensity to defend against the rantings of the ultra far right, and in particular the “Libertarians”.

Gun ownership, for better or worse, is a constitutional right. Now over time the spirit and practice of these rights has changed. But that does not mean that it gives carte blanche to everyone to claim they would kill to protect this right. Especially since killing or dying is not necessary to preserve this right. This has been proven time and time again. It is highly unlikely that the US will have a gun ban in the foreseeable future.

The problem with the far right rhetoric, is that it fuels disparity when none need exist. Guns are here to stay folks, but the continuing insanity parroted by the right only serves to divide a nation that is in serious need of coming together.

All issues that focus on eliciting extreme reaction are merely a smoke screen to keep the people in power, that feed off of this division. The Western World faces challenges that we have not seen since the Great Depression or at Least WWII. Mainly that we are engaged in senseless arguments; when every day the Financial Institutions thrive on this chaos.

Financial Institutions and Insurance Companies are the enemy of free enterprise, and the self actuation of the individual. As long as we fight about stupid things, we are doomed to slavery.

America was formed to end the tyranny, of a few families controlling all of the wealth. Yet even as it is happening before our very eyes, the supporters of this massacre of the middle class rave about killing people that would take their guns, when the very people they support in Congress are the very same ones that are supporting their demise.

A nation so passionate about such irrelevant issues is doomed to follow countries that practiced the same Dogma. In 1936 Germany was plunged into their near destruction, and the destruction of the entire planet, by a maniac that played on the extreme ideas of a few.

The far right must be made to see the fallacy of their ways, lest the end of the American dream is visited upon us.

Thales, I agree with you completely. To do away with America's propensity to own and carry handguns a Constitutional Ammendment would have to be passed by the people (not Congress as Insane Asylum or whatever his name is says), The Supreme Court do a total flip-flop on the interpretation of the 2nd Ammendment, or the attitude of the entire country change. None of those things are likely to happen in my lifetime. As much as I might hope that the country would realize that the cowboy days are long gone, as are the days when a citizen's militia could overcome a determined national army (assuming there could be a military coup or a government that would order the military against the citizens here and the military would obey - a highly unlikely assumption), all I can hope for is rhetoric, debate and a bit of progress at a time.

You are also correct that the greatest threat to this nation at this point in history is a class-based suppression (which is already happening). It truly appalls me to see citizend who live paycheck to paycheck, who struggle to make ends meet, or worry and sweat how they are going to pay their bills, defending a bloated wealthy class each and every time a threat to tax them or "level the field" is mentioned. We are our own worse enemies or as a wise philosopher once said "I have seen the enemy - in the mirror".

 

[ChipperT]

I would say the same can be said for the far left. They need to come together and stop undoing each other's work. It's a waste of my money and I'm sick of it! We also need to do away with the ability for corporations to fund political elections. Without this, the country will continue to be divided and the division will continue to increase.

In the words of that great 21st century philosopher, Rodney King:
"Can't we all just... get along?"

 

[dan-cat]

If you support the right to bear arms, why would argue against the use of them to protect that right or attack someone who declares their willingess to defend and exercise it?

To educate you in the criteria for a civilized society. The topic of what the "right" is, is arbitrary. It is your response to that right in it's social context that is the crux.

Laws are constantly adapted to account for the current context. With this process comes the changing of "rights". To respond to each change of "right" that is disagreeable to one in the manner you describe would quickly lead to civil unrest. It simply doesn't happen in civilized society anymore but your outlook demands it as a current and viable option.

Your passion for gun ownership is no different to another's passion on the topic of health insurance. But your conclusion to it's questioning is myopic, self-centered and harmful to the common good.

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

I wonder if pro guns people - are pro knives people - cos that the usually argument without a gun thered be a knife. And also if this extends worldwide - do they support people in Pakistan or Afganisatan having the right to bear arms.


Or for nations, does the right to a nuclear deterent extend to Iran or Korea or even India.

Or does it just extend to people like you?

 

[Kryst51]

I wonder if pro guns people - are pro knives people - cos that the usually argument without a gun thered be a knife. And also if this extends worldwide - do they support people in Pakistan or Afganisatan having the right to bear arms.


Or for nations, does the right to a nuclear deterent extend to Iran or Korea or even India.

Or does it just extend to people like you?

Col in disguise? Me thinks so.....

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

Col in disguise? Me thinks so.....

Cols here as Davep

Which bit made you think it was Col?

 

[Brianwarnock]

Col in disguise? Me thinks so.....

Could you enlarge on this, Tony's question seems perfectly reasonable, not that Col's never are.

Brian