Trump Administration Predictions

Pat Hartman said:
When you support Colin's misogyny, which is real as is his hatred for religion, you show us your character. My comment was simply redundant.
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If you were capable, you would have known I was not supporting his misogyny. Either you somehow are deluded into believing that by misquoting me, somehow makes you right, or you simply cannot find the types of words that could be designed to find common ground, I don't know which, but you might try at least.
 
ColinEssex said:
Oh yes - families. I'd forgotten about that. How is your daughter now?
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People who have seen the previous related exchanges between you and Pat will know that this topic is off limits. You have been warned about this line of comments many times before. Let it go, Col.

Considering past exchanges, you KNOW that question WAS out-of-bounds. Jon doesn't want to banish you permanently and a short-term ban is like water off a duck's back to you. Whatever is left is that you need to be reminded that there are limits in polite society. You are being impolite and needlessly cruel.
 
The_Doc_Man said:
People who have seen the previous related exchanges between you and Pat will know that this topic is off limits. You have been warned about this line of comments many times before. Let it go, Col.

Considering past exchanges, you KNOW that question WAS out-of-bounds. Jon doesn't want to banish you permanently and a short-term ban is like water off a duck's back to you. Whatever is left is that you need to be reminded that there are limits in polite society. You are being impolite and needlessly cruel.
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I wasn't the one who mentioned members of family. Plus, I have adhered to your instruction, but as Pat resurrected the family comment I merely made a polite enquiry given Pat's previous paranoia.
I trust you will have a word with Pat about it as she was the instigator- not me.
Col
 
You are deflecting as usual, Col, but your "who, me?" level of innocence has worn thin. I'm stepping away from this because it is a lost cause. Nothing short of permanent banishment would shut you up and that is not on the table. However, my next comment is serious.

With the new British law regarding "safe content", ALL of us - me included - need to be careful with what we say and how we say it, at least until we learn how that law will be applied.
 
The_Doc_Man said:
I'm pretty sure I made it clear that Pat was wrong to respond to Col's improper statement. How is that "siding with her"?
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Yes Doc, you are absolutely correct. I should not respond to Colin when he attacks me personally because clearly it is always my fault. I get it. He attacks me. No one says anything. I respond and I'm at fault. I did relate an amusing, in retrospect, incident from 50 years ago when women (not myself in this particular case) were overtly discriminated against in the workplace and that brought Colin's misogyny to the fore so the whole thing is absolutely my fault. I told a story that made Colin want to attack me. OK, my bad.
 
Pat Hartman said:
Yes Doc, you are absolutely correct. I should not respond to Colin when he attacks me personally because clearly it is always my fault. I get it. He attacks me. No one says anything. I respond and I'm at fault. I did relate an amusing, in retrospect, incident from 50 years ago when women (not myself in this particular case) were overtly discriminated against in the workplace and that brought Colin's misogyny to the fore so the whole thing is absolutely my fault. I told a story that made Colin want to attack me. OK, my bad.
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I didn't attack you. I never even mentioned you. I just stated how it was in the late 60's and 70's. Get a grip love.
 
AccessBlaster said:
Given enough incentives anything possible.
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The proper incentive program was demonstrated successfully in the 1950s and 1960s when the US was actually "Great", and great because we had the world's wealthiest middle class in the entire history of the human race.

One of the major contributors, and a strong incentive program, was to have super high taxes on the ultra rich and the corporations they owned, and then give huge tax credits for building American Industry. That's how you get it done quickly, this taxing the middle class with these insane tariffs, alone, ain't gonna get it. Especially tariffs far down the supply chain. You gotta go up, up, up the supply chain.

Don't worry, I'll keep repeating it, that's how conservative propaganda works, right? Look how effective that is.
 
Thales750 said:
The proper incentive program was demonstrated successfully in the 1950s and 1960s when the US was actually "Great", and great because we had the world's wealthiest middle class in the entire history of the human race.

One of the major contributors, and a strong incentive program, was to have super high taxes on the ultra rich and the corporations they owned, and then give huge tax credits for building American Industry. That's how you get it done quickly, this taxing the middle class with these insane tariffs, alone, ain't gonna get it. Especially tariffs far down the supply chain. You gotta go up, up, up the supply chain.

Don't worry, I'll keep repeating it, that's how conservative propaganda works, right? Look how effective that is.
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Your high tax scenario relies heavily on a post WW2 booming economy. Unlike the 1950s, today's economy is highly interconnected. Simply taxing the wealthy or corporations without addressing offshoring won't necessarily rebuild American industry.

We were once a manufacturing and consumer powerhouse that's what made us great. Now, we just consume. Taxing the rich won't convince anyone to manufacture. By the way, the tax loopholes back then were legendary.
 
AccessBlaster said:
Your high tax scenario relies heavily on a post WW2 booming economy. Unlike the 1950s, today's economy is highly interconnected. Simply taxing the wealthy or corporations without addressing offshoring won't necessarily rebuild American industry.

We were once a manufacturing and consumer powerhouse that's what made us great. Now, we just consume. Taxing the rich won't convince anyone to manufacture. By the way, the tax loopholes back then were legendary.
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The loop holes were the part of the solution. I sold phone equipment in the early 80s. The customers received tax credits. A tax credit comes right off the tax bill..
I agree it us not a panacea. We need a holistic approach. Which includes higher taxes at the top. This tariff thing will put the bourbon squarely on small business and consumers. If you are paying attention, you will notice not just democrat leaders are agreeing with me.
The article I posted was from the Wall Street Journal.
 
Thales750 said:
The loop holes were the part of the solution. I sold phone equipment in the early 80s. The customers received tax credits. A tax credit comes right off the tax bill..
I agree it us not a panacea. We need a holistic approach. Which includes higher taxes at the top. This tariff thing will put the bourbon squarely on small business and consumers. If you are paying attention, you will notice not just democrat leaders are agreeing with me.
The article I posted was from the Wall Street Journal.
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Very few rich people actually paid those high taxes they leveraged loopholes. So instead of saying the rich should pay higher taxes, just be honest and admit that you'll provide loopholes, deductions, and incentives to build rather than higher taxes. That way, at least, you’ll have the appearance of a good socialist. ;)
 
Bottom line we need pro-growth policies that reward building American industry, not just punitive tax hikes that push wealth elsewhere. Taxing alone doesn’t build factories making the U.S. the best place to manufacture does.
 
Pat Hartman said:
Yes Doc, you are absolutely correct. I should not respond to Colin when he attacks me personally because clearly it is always my fault. I get it. He attacks me. No one says anything. I respond and I'm at fault. I did relate an amusing, in retrospect, incident from 50 years ago when women (not myself in this particular case) were overtly discriminated against in the workplace and that brought Colin's misogyny to the fore so the whole thing is absolutely my fault. I told a story that made Colin want to attack me. OK, my bad.
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Pat, you were wrong to respond in this case because it is always wrong to feed the troll. I fully sympathize because I respond now and then in hopes of somehow getting through to him, usually to no avail. Your anecdote was fine.

Col, as usual, stepped in with a carefully crafted response that lets him believe he has innocently deflected all blame for his actions, even though those of us who have seen his repeated feigned pleas of innocence know that he was, indeed, targeting you. I surmise that in school, he was one of the rumor-mongers who always got away with telling his little stories because he knew just where to stop so he wouldn't get blamed. You know the type - a malicious person who believes in dragging others down to his level because he can't rise up to their level. Of course, claiming it was all in fun and totally innocent.
 
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