Are you an atheist?

[Adam Caramon]

I do get it, you perhaps don’t. I have established that the Qur’an is the TRUTH and comes from God. I can repeat this in as many times you want me to if you like. No problem. The TRUTH can’t be vanquished much as you try to.

You have not established this. You've stated it. I don't recall a single person on here having agreed with you. The Qur'an holds value to you because you've surrendered your will to it. That is all.

 

[KenHigg]

Aziz,

You seem like a reasonable person in your faith and not an extremist like it appears some others here are trying to make you out to be. Your peaceful pursuit of a faith that encourages universally accepted good personal values is to be commended. Too many are wandering aimless. Some fall pawns to empty promises and go from one failed political agenda to the next, getting on whatever feel good bandwagon comes along.

In a play for attention, I think some kids consume hours of CNN/Fox and google drivel and propose they know more about what ails American better than their seniors, some by many years, who have experienced the years of wars, fiscal irresponsibility, property and payroll taxes, etc., etc., not just read someone else’s potentially spun or flawed interpretations. Even though my faith is in a different direction I respect your right to believe what you like. Some people, who paradoxically argue we should be more tolerant, will leave no rock unturned in their efforts to force their view and make the other person look like a fool. They claim to use logic then in next sentence have no problems with gays when man and wife were clearly made to be complimentary.

Instead of gloating on blues states that agreed with them, a good leader might propose to understand the reason why the reds states didn’t, so we can all dig ourselves out of this mess we’re in together…

Keep up the peaceful fight

 

[Brianwarnock]

They claim to use logic then in next sentence have no problems with gays when man and wife were clearly made to be complimentary.

The above statement by Ken shows the narrow thought of the religious, why should the acceptance of the complementary nature of man and woman mean that we should have a problem with homosexuals. A person does not choose their sexuality, it is just how nature (God?) made them. I accept that some are asking too much, over here they are demanding marriage not being satisfied with a civil partnership, but Ken's statement is all embracing.

Brian

 

[KenHigg]

So you think in some case (most), nature hardwired one man to have physical desires for women and in some other men (fewer by far), he hardwired them to have physical desires for other men?

 

[Galaxiom]

So you think in some case (most), nature hardwired one man to have physical desires for women and in some other men (fewer by far), he hardwired them to have physical desires for other men?

That is the case as backed by scientific evidence.

By the same token, most people in the world have dark hair but some have blond hair. Is that hardwired or simply a personal choice?

You have aptly demonstrated where the faithful go wrong by assuming that the characteristics of a person are the result of a decision by a supernatural being rather than, a science shows, a product of evolution.

 

[Galaxiom]

Aziz,

You seem like a reasonable person in your faith and not an extremist like it appears some others here are trying to make you out to be. Your peaceful pursuit of a faith that encourages universally accepted good personal values is to be commended.

Universally accepted good personal values? What rubbish.

Just for starters, the status of women in the tenets of the Abrahamic religions is far from universally accepted and far from good.

Like the vast majority of muslims, Aziz wants Sharia Law imposed on the entire planet. He has stated in this very thread that his religion allows him to live in places that don't impose this blatantly fascist system of rule provided he works towards changing it.

Some people, who paradoxically argue we should be more tolerant, will leave no rock unturned in their efforts to force their view and make the other person look like a fool. They claim to use logic then in next sentence have no problems with gays when man and wife were clearly made to be complimentary.

In the same post you promote religious tolerance then display the depth of your bigotry and intolerance towards people with different sexual desires from your own.

Instead of gloating on blues states that agreed with them, a good leader might propose to understand the reason why the reds states didn’t, so we can all dig ourselves out of this mess we’re in together…

Oh, and you think the Republicans will make the slightest attempt to understand why people chose not to vote in a Republican President? No they will continue to use whatever means available to promote the interests of the rich regardless of what it does to the country and the plant.

It is the Republicans who dug this hole. Their "small government" ideology is about letting their cronies to get away anything in the name of personal profit while pretending that is the best thing for everyone.

As Romney said, the poor and disenfranchised are not his problem.

Most remarkably the Republicans fought the presidential contest on the notion that they were the superior financial manages. The truth is that since 1945, the stock market has performed fifty percent better under Democratic leaders than Republicans.

 

[Galaxiom]

I accept that some are asking too much, over here they are demanding marriage not being satisfied with a civil partnership, but Ken's statement is all embracing.

Brain, you are part of the problem!

By what logic do you claim that wanting marriage equality is "too much"?

 

[KenHigg]

I'm guessing you are gay Galax - ?

 

[Galaxiom]

I'm guessing you are gay Galax - ?

I'm guessing you are an idiot, Ken - ?

 

[KenHigg]

I'm talking to you aren't I

 

[KenHigg]

Why you get defensive?

 

[Galaxiom]

Perhaps you would like to explain why you guess I am gay?

 

[KenHigg]

You jumped on Brian about his comments. Are you gay?

 

[Galaxiom]

No I am not gay. I just don't see why someone should be discriminated against on the grounds of their sexual preference.

 

[KenHigg]

You believe the scientific stuff about being gay?

 

[Galaxiom]

You believe the scientific stuff about being gay?

Yes. But it doesn't matter anyway. If a person simply chooses to be gay it is still their business, not mine or anyone elses.

 

[KenHigg]

Being able to choose kind of shoots a hole in the scientific proof thing doesn't it?

 

[Galaxiom]

No. I said it didn't make any difference if it was a choice.

Is your bigotry something you were born with or did you make a personal choice?

 

[KenHigg]

Please don't change the subject, you jumped in here with the scientific thing, I thought you had a point to make. So you are saying it could be hardwired into a person or they could make a choice to be gay?

Edit - You say it does not matter? Sorry my las comment could have been unclear...

 

[Galaxiom]

It is hardwired.

The original subject was whether anyone had the right to persecute on the basis of sexual preference. It was you who jumped in with the scientific thing.