Are you an atheist?

[Galaxiom]

You have not authenticated the Quran. Your arguments have been resoundingly demolished. You simply refuse to accept this fact because you are bewitched by your faith.

You continue to quote from the works of the profoundly ignorant to support your case. You really don't understand philosophical debate at all do you?

 

[Galaxiom]

Galileo was not accepted in his time even when he was in the minority.

There is a vast difference between your position and that of Galileo.

Galileo was able to support his claim using verifiable observation and sound logic. You are simply quoting from a book written by someone who had absolutely no idea what they were talking about.

Galileo was the intellectual pushing against the ignorant masses promulgating the doctrine of a book. You are part of the ignorant masses trying to support your position with nothing more than a book based entirely on prejudice and bigotry.

And like the church that pitted its doctrine against the intelligence of science you also attempt to argue your position from what you imagine is a scientific basis.

Islam can only succeed in an environment of ignorance. Ultimately it will fade into oblivion. Sooner the better. The world does not need its fascist doctrine.

 

[aziz rasul]

You have not authenticated the Quran. Your arguments have been resoundingly demolished. You simply refuse to accept this fact because you are bewitched by your faith.

You continue to quote from the works of the profoundly ignorant to support your case. You really don't understand philosophical debate at all do you?

The Qur’an has been authenticated, but you don’t accept it, that is a more accurate statement to make. You may say that my arguments have been resoundly demolished but I don’t agree with you. On the contrary, many non Muslims who have accepted Islam have done so through the wisdom of God’s book. You talk as if I am the only person who believes in the Qur’an and that there is no other soul that does so. Just as Galileo was fighting intellectually against the ignorant masses so the messengers of Allaah did so in history and Muslims are doing so now. In your posts you rarely say anything worth debating over. As an example from the above quote, exactly what have you contributed that is of an intellectual nature. Nothing. I gave a Qur’an verse to show that the Qur’an is from God, yet you have nothing to offer in return. If as you claim that Muhammad (peace be upon him) wrote the Qur’an, the Qur’an would have had contradictions, so why are there none?

The language that you use in your responses show very little in an equal debate and you are discourteous in your use of language. To throw your own words back at you

‘You really don't understand philosophical debate at all do you?’

There is a vast difference between your position and that of Galileo.

Galileo was able to support his claim using verifiable observation and sound logic. You are simply quoting from a book written by someone who had absolutely no idea what they were talking about.

I have supported my claims using science using God’s book and sound logic.

It is He Who made the sun to be a shining glory and the moon to be a light (of beauty), and measured out stages for her; that ye might know the number of years and the count (of time). Nowise did Allaah create this but in truth and righteousness. (Thus) doth He explain His Signs in detail, for those who understand.
Qur’an - Surah Yunus (Jonah) 10:5 See also 25:61, 40:61 and 71:16

It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day: Each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit (according to Law).
Qur’an – Surah Yasin 36:41 See also 57:6.

prejudice and bigotry

Again here you provide no evidence but simply make unsubstantiated comments without anything to back them up. It’s almost as if you are afraid to debate anything for fear of hearing the TRUTH.

And like the church that pitted its doctrine against the intelligence of science you also attempt to argue your position from what you imagine is a scientific basis.

Many reverts have used the science route from the Qur’an.

Islam can only succeed in an environment of ignorance. Ultimately it will fade into oblivion. Sooner the better. The world does not need its fascist doctrine.

Again your comments go against the TRUTH. Islam began at the time of Adam (peace be upon him) and still exists today and is on the rise, hence your comments of oblivion are completely misplaced. From your statement of ignorance (which certainly is a view I hold against you from which you have given plenty of consistent evidence) Muslims are an enlightened people much as you may dislike it.

Here are a mixture of some verses, which you can explain as whether they are fascist or not.

And among His Signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that ye may dwell in tranquillity with them, and He has put love and mercy between your (hearts): verily in that are Signs for those who reflect.
20. Qur’an - Surah ar-Rum (The Romans) 30:21

“Verily, We fashioned man from a small quantity of mingled (amchaj) liquids . . .”
Qur’an - Surah al-Insaan (Man) 76:2

37. “Was (man) not a small quantity of sperm which has been poured out?
38. After that, he was something which clings (alaq); then God fashioned him in due proportion and harmoniously.”
Qur’an - Surah al-Qiyaama (The Resurrection) 75:37-8

45. “(God) fashioned the two of a pair, the male and the female,
46. from a small quantity (of sperm) when it is poured out.”
Qur’an – Surah an-Najm (The Star) 53:45-6

The last verse shows that it is the father who determines the gender of the unborn child at a time when the men blamed their wives when they produced offspring that they didn’t want.

The story of Jesus (peace be upon him) is given in detail

This is of the tidings of things hidden. We reveal it unto thee (Muhammad). Thou wast not present with them when they threw their pens (to know) which of them should be the guardian of Mary, nor wast thou present with them when they quarrelled (thereupon).
Qur’an - Surah al-`Imraan (The Family of `Imraan) 3:44

Right graciously did her Lord accept her: He made her grow in purity and beauty: To the care of Zakariyah was she assigned . . .
Qur’an - Surah al-`Imraan (The Family of `Imraan) 3:37

 

[Galaxiom]

I gave a Qur’an verse to show that the Qur’an is from God,

My point exactly. ALL you ever use to support your argument are quotes from the Quran that claim it was written by God.

You definitely don't understand the principles of debate at all. Quoting a book does not validate the claims in that book. The depth of your immersion in ridiculous doctrine is quite astounding.

If as you claim that Muhammad (peace be upon him) wrote the Qur’an, the Qur’an would have had contradictions, so why are there none?

Contradictions have been pointed out to you but you will not acknowledge them.

 

[Galaxiom]

It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day: Each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit (according to Law).
Qur’an – Surah Yasin 36:41 See also 57:6.

What is the origin of the words in parentheses? Are they added later for clarification? Did it actually say in the Quran that the Sun and Moon had separate "orbits"?

Firstly we know that the Sun does not orbit the Earth. The Quran is thus wrong yet again but you won't accept that.

The Sun not being allowed to catch up with the Moon implies that such a thing would be possible had Allah not made rules to prevent them. Yet we know they are always separated by 150 million kilometres. It is not a rule made by Allah but a natural consequence of geometry of the Solar System.

Moreover there is the matter of eclipses where they do "catch up" with each other.

45. “(God) fashioned the two of a pair, the male and the female,
46. from a small quantity (of sperm) when it is poured out.”
Qur’an – Surah an-Najm (The Star) 53:45-6

The last verse shows that it is the father who determines the gender of the unborn child at a time when the men blamed their wives when they produced offspring that they didn’t want.

That is what you choose to see in those words. Read objectively they reveal yet another fallacy.

It reflects the notion common at the time that the woman was just an incubator of the sperm which contained the essence of the new person.

The story of Jesus (peace be upon him) is given in detail

Recounting the myth of Jesus does not validate the Quran.

 

[Galaxiom]

nor can the Night outstrip the Day

Oh yes. Without Allah's Laws that would happen all the time I'm sure. Getting dark each day for a while until eventually a whole day was dropped out.

Oh wait. Within the Arctic Zones it is a regular occurrence. It happens every year. In Winter the night slowly overtakes the day and it stays dark for a couple of months.

Surely Allah would have known about such things. Sounds very much to me like Mohammed made this up the because he was entirely ignorant of the nature of day and night at high latitudes.

Then of course a man who thought the Earth was rolled out flat and pegged down by mountains is not likely to anticipate such phenomena.

By the way. He was wrong about the mountains pegging down the land too. Mountains are thrust up by tectonic plate movements.

 

[ciso]

"My God is the only God and he definitely exists"

Hi Alisa,

A very interesting question. Unfortunately, the answer I wold like to choose is not there. I def. believe in God.

But I also believe that all religions have the same God - just calling God by different names. I also believe that whatever faith you have it is your obligation to respect other faiths. I have read a few of the Holly Books - and am still to find somewhere where it states to hate other people's religion. Religion is a cause of love. If you love your God - whatever name you call it - how can you prefer yourself over someone else. That was the golden rule taught by every prophet.

Anyway - if you remove the "the only" from your last pool option - that's the one I would tick! Or add "I am not an atheist" to the list

Love,

C.

 

[Galaxiom]

I also believe that whatever faith you have it is your obligation to respect other faiths.

Do you respect Pagan religions and others that worship nature? How about religions with multiple gods such as Hindu or the Roman, Norse and Greek gods. Abrahamic religions typically despise them for not following their "one true God".

How about the Mormons who believe the Israelites went to Utah (the True Promised Land) and base their holy text on a golden plate buried by angels, discovered and translated by their founder who interpreted it by looking at a special stone in his hat. (Nobody else ever saw the golden plate.)

Or Scientology which was founded by a science fiction writer and believes we are aliens. Their god took away many of our genes, put us in a volcano where we came out with an eruption to populate the planet.

What about David Koresh and the Branch Davidians? Or Jimmy Jones? Jessa O'MyHeart and his church, "Infinity Forms of the Yellow Remember"?

How about Satanists? You respect all of them too as part of your obligation?

I have read a few of the Holly Books - and am still to find somewhere where it states to hate other people's religion.

Jesus spoke of the "hypocrites at the synagogue" and advised that worship should be done in private. Aside from the fact that overt every Christian fails to follow His advice I don't see much tolerance there.

What about those whose "faith" is that there is no god? Do you respect their beliefs? Mohammed claims Allah says they should be treated harshly. No tolerance there.

Religion is a cause of love. If you love your God - whatever name you call it - how can you prefer yourself over someone else. That was the golden rule taught by every prophet.

This is the greatest myth promulgated by believers. Why don't you read the books and discover the truth?

The Abrahmaic religions are rotten to the core with prejudice, bigotry and intolerance. I suggest you start by reading about the brutal genocide perpetrated by the Hebrews under the leadership of Joshua as the massacred every man, woman and child in at least thirty tribes who were already living in "The Promised Land" when they invaded.

Their success with so few over much greater numbers of victims is held up as evidence for the glory of their god. Two tribes sent representatives to negotiate a peace treaty with the Hebrews and pretended they lived outside the area targeted for invasion. For "their deceit" the whole tribes were enslaved by the Hebrews. God then punished the Hebrews for failing to kill them.

Many believers claim that god is about "unconditional love". Clearly they have not read the "manual for life" either. Far from being unconditional, God will forgive any crimes like murder and ra** provided the person repents and believes in Him.

What He wont forgive is those who don't believe in Him, worship Him and follow His every command. They will be cast into an eternity of suffering.

The God of the Bible and Quran is misanthropic psychopath.

 

[Galaxiom]

Many religions limit the rights of women, treating them as possessions of their fathers and husbands. Why should I have the slightest respect for their faiths?

Islam supposes that it should be able to enforce Sharia Law over everyone on the planet regardless of the will of the people. That is fascism. Why should I have any more respect for Islam than I have for Nazism?

The concept of respect for all faiths is promoted by the religious in an attempt to suppress all criticism. It is a concession they make to other religions to avoid criticism of their own in places where they cannot archaic blasphemy laws which they would actually prefer.

Modern secular democracy affords the right to free speech so the faithful will just have to get used to criticism. I for one will not be holding back on pointing out the truth about religion wherever I can.

 

[Adam Caramon]

The concept of respect for all faiths is promoted by the religious in an attempt to suppress all criticism. It is a concession they make to other religions to avoid criticism of their own in places where they cannot archaic blasphemy laws which they would actually prefer.

Agreed. I think it is part of the growing pains of religion. An objective look at most religions reveals that they are purely control devices. However, when raised with a religion, it is often very difficult for the believer to see this fact.

The more moderate religious people know this, but feel that a lot of good morals come from their religion. They enforce the things they agree with in their holy book, and explain away those that they don't.

I'm hopeful that in the next 50 years the The USA will be a mostly secular nation (the rural southern states will likely be the exceptions).

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Galaxiom:

Sexual preference is nobody's business except for consenting adults who choose to be together.

Please explain exactly why you are so disturbed by others' homosexuality.

To which Ken Higgs replied:

I'd rather get clarification on if it's a choice or hardwired. The difference takes the discussion in two entirely different directions...

Ken, you might or might not care to research this yourself, but the answer to the choice/hardwired question might by found by reading articles available through this web search: brain scan + homosexual

If you read some of the articles, you would find that some UK physicians were using Positron Emission Tomography (a.k.a. PET scans) to do research into brain structure. A couple of important points relevant to your question....

1. There is a measurable physical difference between male and female brains. That difference is described in the articles and brain anatomy isn't my strong point so I'll leave it to you to find what differences exist.

2. There are documented cases in which a person's brain (the wiring) and genitalia (the plumbing) are of opposite polarity. If you will allow the coarse description, the wiring and the plumbing don't match for many homosexuals.

Whether this leads to a statement that homosexuality is ALL nature or just "more strongly influenced by nature" is perhaps a matter of interpretation. However, in New Orleans we have a strong gay community in some parts of the French Quarter (away from Canal Street). I personally know some people (from my days as a struggling college student musician) who claim they felt as though they were born into the wrong body. After reading the study, I had to agree that they might have been right.

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

Galaxiom:

Sexual preference is nobody's business except for consenting adults who choose to be together.

Please explain exactly why you are so disturbed by others' homosexuality.

To which Ken Higgs replied:

I'd rather get clarification on if it's a choice or hardwired. The difference takes the discussion in two entirely different directions...

Ken, you might or might not care to research this yourself, but the answer to the choice/hardwired question might by found by reading articles available through this web search: brain scan + homosexual

If you read some of the articles, you would find that some UK physicians were using Positron Emission Tomography (a.k.a. PET scans) to do research into brain structure. A couple of important points relevant to your question....

1. There is a measurable physical difference between male and female brains. That difference is described in the articles and brain anatomy isn't my strong point so I'll leave it to you to find what differences exist.

2. There are documented cases in which a person's brain (the wiring) and genitalia (the plumbing) are of opposite polarity. If you will allow the coarse description, the wiring and the plumbing don't match for many homosexuals.

Whether this leads to a statement that homosexuality is ALL nature or just "more strongly influenced by nature" is perhaps a matter of interpretation. However, in New Orleans we have a strong gay community in some parts of the French Quarter (away from Canal Street). I personally know some people (from my days as a struggling college student musician) who claim they felt as though they were born into the wrong body. After reading the study, I had to agree that they might have been right.

I dont disagree with any of that - however I do think that being gay is / has been for a couple of decades rather trendy - and can allow some people to behave in an althernative/flamboyant way that would be frowned upon as a straight person.

I do believe some choose a lifestyle/ group in which they are more accepted - without actually being born gay.

 

[rodmc]

And to think that Islam was at the forefront of science and progressive thinking for some time in the middle ages, unfortunately extremism in islam more or less destroyed that, such a pity!

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

And to think that Islam was at the forefront of science and progressive thinking for some time in the middle ages, unfortunately extremism in islam more or less destroyed that, such a pity!

Irans trying its best with nuclear technology - keeps getting stopped from progressing by the US.

 

[rodmc]

Irans trying its best with nuclear technology - keeps getting stopped from progressing by the US.

pmsl, thanks for that I need to wipe my screen down now

 

[Galaxiom]

I do believe some choose a lifestyle/ group in which they are more accepted - without actually being born gay.

And should it matter TO YOU what SOMEONE ELSE chooses for THEIR LIFE?

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

And should it matter TO YOU what SOMEONE ELSE chooses for THEIR LIFE?

It matters as much to me - as it does to you - which is why we are both talking of it - Simply an observation mate.

OK MATE!

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

pmsl, thanks for that I need to wipe my screen down now

Heard about this on the BBC world service the other day - quite interesting technology and cooperation!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-20447422

 

[Galaxiom]

Irans trying its best with nuclear technology - keeps getting stopped from progressing by the US.

The really really sad thing about Iran is that the CIA destroyed the democratically elected government at the behest of Winston Churchill (one of the greatest arsh0les of modern history) who objected to the Iranian government seizing British oil assets in Iran after decades of blatant theft of their resources.

How different would the Middle East have been without that disruption?

 

[Galaxiom]

It matters as much to me - as it does to you - which is why we are both talking of it - Simply an observation mate.

OK MATE!

Sorry for the misunderstanding. My post was intended for the generic YOU.