Are you an atheist? (9 Viewers)

[Bladerunner]

I'm intrigued by this collusion, what was it and what were they colluding to acheive?

You're not far off a Mel Gibson esque - Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world - kind of sentiment in your full quote - just targeted to a broader church?

Possibly because the Jews (Israelites) are God's chosen People:

Have you ever wonder why it is paramount to kill all of them. If successful, would make their God (my God) weak, Make him untrustworthy or there is not God!

Do you ever wonder why the Israelites have never been defeated????????


Have a nice day:>)


Bladerunner

 

[Bladerunner]

Having read only 10 or 12 sentences from this thread, I have to constantly be amused at the level of religious non belief exhibited by atheist.

And for their total misunderstanding of the level of proof that is absent form the so called sciences. Science measures things. It has no explanation of the core cause, only the effect.

But you guys keep on believing, God does not need your belief to exist, and oh by the way, I am actually educated, as was Einstein, who like wise believed in a supreme being.

Thanks Thales750: thought I was the only alternative on this thread (except D7A) to the non-believers.

Have a nice day :>)

Bladerunner

 

[Bladerunner]

It would be religious non-belief if it was held in conflict with the evidence. In fact there is no evidence whatsoever for the existence of a god and much against it.



Now you are really displaying your ignorance. Science does have explanations for the core causes. At the deepest level this is embodied in the theories of General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics which together explain the entire history of the Universe from the first pixel of its formation.



No he doesn't need our belief but he certainly need yours.



You probably only read twelve lines out of the science books too.



The religious love to say this but it simply isn't true. But the religious will go on making the claim because they never let the truth get in the way of their beliefs.

Some quotes from Einstein:

"I came—though the child of entirely irreligious (Jewish) parents—to a deep religiousness, which, however, reached an abrupt end at the age of twelve. Through the reading of popular scientific books I soon reached the conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could not be true. The consequence was a positively fanatic orgy of freethinking coupled with the impression that youth is intentionally being deceived by the state through lies; it was a crushing impression. "

"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."

And Atheism is an expression of human greatness?

Have a nice day :>)

Bladerunner

 

[Galaxiom]

And Atheism is an expression of human greatness?

Yes. An atheist society is free to make decisions on the basis of their merit having observed the science.

It means not having to deal with those who come to the negotiating table holding a rigid mindset established thousands of years ago by ignorant, arrogant misogynists who presumed their every thought was holy.

 

[Mihail]

What Glaxom tells you about Lot is not as it is written? Why don't you read Genesis yourself.

I do. Somewhere at 17 years old. But I remember pretty well, because, after I read once, I have tried to keep a track (using a pencil and paper - no computers at that time in Romania) between records (something like this: Genesis 19:23 say:.... but Genesis 20:54 say..... first record = not the second one ????). Hope you understand what I mean. Of course I fail because the enormous amount of situations like I described.
So, I do: I have read the Genesis myself.
And because is YOU who don't tell us the all story, let me fill (with my poorly English) the gaps in this (funny) story:

So, the Lord was informed (this sound like an ancient FBI ????) that in two towns (Sodom and Gomorrah) the people are very bad (the homosexuality being the main problem). But the Lord need to verify the information so He send 2 more undercover agents (2 angels) in Sodom. And He said: If you will find at least one believer I'll not punished this towns.

The two angels arrived in Sodom and they go to the Lot house (the faith).
Now, the club of homosexuals, somehow, was informed and they ask Lot to give they the two (very young and very beautiful) angels in order to have sexual relation with they.
Lot said "No". Is better to take my young, virgin, daughters for this task, but leave alone this 2 guys.
Of course, with no result.

The angels inform the Lord that the information was verified. But, because they know very well the Lord, they know that they can't believe in His word (see the bold text).
So they say to Lot:
Take your wife and your daughters and run to the mountains. But do not look backward !!!!

In time they run, Lot's wife (named Sara if I remember well) has looked backward (she was a woman, isn't it ? ) and, instantly, she become a stick of salt.

Sodom and Gomorrah was erased by Lord from the Earth.
Lot arrived in the mountains with his daughters and camp here.

After a wile one of the girl say to the other one:
We are here for a while and the single man around is our father.
So, it is a huge risk to never have kids. What can we do ?

And a smart idea raised:

The girls give drinks (a lot of drinks) to their father, until he was no more able to understand the real word and the first girl has sexual relation with him (after that she born a child).
Next day, the other girl do the same, and she born a child too.

Of course that in my native language I say this story much better
So, Bladerunner, I have read myself the Genesis, maybe before Galaxiom because I suspect that I am older than he is.

More, I have read also some books written by Erich von Däniken.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_von_Däniken
Note that he never sustain that his "theories" are "the truth". He just show us another possibility. (and make good money by selling the books)

In one of his books, von Däniken has write about this story and he said that the Lord has used an atomic bomb. He argue that Lot was send to the mountains because the natural protection that the walls from rock ensure.
But this is another story, my friend

All the best !

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

Yes. An atheist society is free to make decisions on the basis of their merit having observed the science.

It means not having to deal with those who come to the negotiating table holding a rigid mindset established thousands of years ago by ignorant, arrogant misogynists who presumed their every thought was holy.

Tell me more of the catholic collusion with hitler again? Lets see if your beliefs hold up to scrutiny?

Or is this just a personnel one way diatribe against religion generally.

 

[Rabbie]

Do you ever wonder why the Israelites have never been defeated????????



Bladerunner

And there I was thinking the bible told of them being taken in captivity to Babylon and the Romans conquering Palestine. Just shows you can't trust it's accuracy

 

[Rabbie]

"When did I realise I was God? Well, I was praying and I realised I was talking to myself" Peter O'Toole (1932- 2013)

 

[Mihail]

@AB
I think that a new thread under Watercooler forum with this subject (aliens - exist or not) will be fain.
Unfortunately I am not very sure on my English, so I can't start it.

 

[Dick7Access]

@AB
I think that a new thread under Watercooler forum with this subject (aliens - exist or not) will be fain.
Unfortunately I am not very sure on my English, so I can't start it.

Don't feel bad, I was born in (New England) and lived all my life in the USA and when I preach in the south they accuse me of speaking in tongues.

 

[Mihail]

Don't feel bad, I was born in (New England) and lived all my life in the USA and when I preach in the south they accuse me of speaking in tongues.

Lol ... what can I say ?!
Just that my English is, sometimes, funny even for me.
I'll quote myself:

Lot said "No". Is better to take my young, virgin, daughters for this task

but really I have no more words in my (English) vocabulary.

 

[Dick7Access]

Lol ... what can I say ?!
Just that my English is, sometimes, funny even for me.
I'll quote myself:

but really I have no more words in my (English) vocabulary.

When I went to Navy Boot Camp (1960) in Great Lakes, IL half our barracks was from Boston, MA area where I was from, and the other half was from Ohio and West Virginia. It was a week before we could understand each other.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Mihail, you got the essence of the story just fine. Don't worry about your English. We have many people here who grew up speaking English as their native tongue who cannot communicate very well with others. I believe someone once described British and American citizens as "people divided by a common language."

But this is about the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. I saw a program on the Discovery Channel a couple of years ago that offered an interesting take on the subject. It seems that ancient Chaldean astronomers documented a fireball that streaked across the heavens at the right time for the destruction of those two cities. However, there was no crater. The program offered the idea that the fireball was a meteor that disintegrated in the air in a way that caused a massive air burst. Anyone caught in the cities would be destroyed by the shock wave. Do you recall that meteor that streaked across the skies of Russia recently? Its shock wave did a lot of damage yet left no crater. And of course, let's not forget Tunguska.

The show even discussed the "pillar of salt" by saying that if you were tardy in reaching shelter, you might be instantly dehydrated by the flash of light and heat caused by the air burst. Given the potassium and other inorganic chemicals in the human body, you might very well resemble a pillar of salt.

It would also not take very much to imagine that the primitive people who heard about the destruction of the cities would attribute the event to an angry God. So of course, we must ask which came first?

Did God get angry and send a meteor? Or did the meteor burst over the cities and the survivors then made up stories to explain it? (As an atheist, I believe the second option is correct.)

 

[Bladerunner]

I do. Somewhere at 17 years old. But I remember pretty well, because, after I read once, I have tried to keep a track (using a pencil and paper - no computers at that time in Romania) between records (something like this: Genesis 19:23 say:.... but Genesis 20:54 say..... first record = not the second one ????). Hope you understand what I mean. Of course I fail because the enormous amount of situations like I described.
So, I do: I have read the Genesis myself.
And because is YOU who don't tell us the all story, let me fill (with my poorly English) the gaps in this (funny) story:

So, the Lord was informed (this sound like an ancient FBI ????) that in two towns (Sodom and Gomorrah) the people are very bad (the homosexuality being the main problem). But the Lord need to verify the information so He send 2 more undercover agents (2 angels) in Sodom. And He said: If you will find at least one believer I'll not punished this towns.

The two angels arrived in Sodom and they go to the Lot house (the faith).
Now, the club of homosexuals, somehow, was informed and they ask Lot to give they the two (very young and very beautiful) angels in order to have sexual relation with they.
Lot said "No". Is better to take my young, virgin, daughters for this task, but leave alone this 2 guys.
Of course, with no result.

The angels inform the Lord that the information was verified. But, because they know very well the Lord, they know that they can't believe in His word (see the bold text).
So they say to Lot:
Take your wife and your daughters and run to the mountains. But do not look backward !!!!

In time they run, Lot's wife (named Sara if I remember well) has looked backward (she was a woman, isn't it ? ) and, instantly, she become a stick of salt.

Sodom and Gomorrah was erased by Lord from the Earth.
Lot arrived in the mountains with his daughters and camp here.

After a wile one of the girl say to the other one:
We are here for a while and the single man around is our father.
So, it is a huge risk to never have kids. What can we do ?

And a smart idea raised:

The girls give drinks (a lot of drinks) to their father, until he was no more able to understand the real word and the first girl has sexual relation with him (after that she born a child).
Next day, the other girl do the same, and she born a child too.

Of course that in my native language I say this story much better
So, Bladerunner, I have read myself the Genesis, maybe before Galaxiom because I suspect that I am older than he is.

More, I have read also some books written by Erich von Däniken.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_von_Däniken
Note that he never sustain that his "theories" are "the truth". He just show us another possibility. (and make good money by selling the books)

In one of his books, von Däniken has write about this story and he said that the Lord has used an atomic bomb. He argue that Lot was send to the mountains because the natural protection that the walls from rock ensure.
But this is another story, my friend

All the best !

Hi Mihail: What version are you looking at. I am looking at the King James Version of the Bible. I am not really sure where you got that Homosexuality was the main problem the Lord had with Sodem and Gamorrah. I believe without looking at it, 'wickedness' was used without a detailed list.

Don't read other books. How could Lots wife become a 'pillar of salt' from a nuclear weapon? They would have to be about 100 miles away from the wind blast/ radiation and at least 50 miles away to keep from getting melted instantly.

Have a nice day :>)


Bladerunner


Have a nice day :>)

 

[Bladerunner]

Tell me more of the catholic collusion with hitler again? Lets see if your beliefs hold up to scrutiny?

Or is this just a personnel one way diatribe against religion generally.

Hi AnthonyGerrard: If the bible and religion were destroyed, then the sins it (the bible) speaks of are null and void.

Have a nice day :>)

Bladerunner

 

[Bladerunner]

And there I was thinking the bible told of them being taken in captivity to Babylon and the Romans conquering Palestine. Just shows you can't trust it's accuracy

Opps Rabbie: got ahead of myself, was talking about modern times.

Have a nice day:>)


Bladerunner

 

[Mihail]

Hi Mihail: What version are you looking at. I am looking at the King James Version of the Bible. I am not really sure where you got that Homosexuality was the main problem the Lord had with Sodem and Gamorrah. I believe without looking at it, 'wickedness' was used without a detailed list.

So, if you have only this observation, seems that the Lot's story is how I tell it.

I repeat: I have read the bible at 17 years old. So, there are 35 years from that "event". Maybe the impression that the homosexuality was the main problem is only in my brain.

But I have good reasons for this:
1) The single "wickedness" presented in this story is the homosexuality.
2) In English is a word (maybe a family of words) that derived from Sodom name:
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/sodomise
I discovered this because:
3) In Romanian language we have also a family of words, derived from Sodom name:
- "sodomie" (noun): sodomy see the link
- to be a "sodomist" (noun): to be a homosexual (male); a person (male) who practice the sodomy.
- to "sodomiza" someone (verb): anal copulation by a man inserting his penis in the anus either of another man or a woman (the definition is Copy-Paste from the link I provided, and is the exact meaning for the Romanian word)

Don't read other books....

Should I understand from this that the Bible is the single book that you ever read ?
Hm. I have heard many times (from the believers, of course) that the Bible is self explanatory.
Really, you, the believers, don't realize that you try to use a "dictionary" with this structure (?):

Word - Explanation
Mother - Mother
Water - Water
Sugar - Sugar
..........................

And you (the believers) try to use this "dictionary" in order to explain to ME a "thing" (the Bible), even if I am a lot more informed in this area because I have read a lot of other books.

For example:

1) Edgar Rice Borough - Tarzan, the monkey man.
Where is bounded this book with the religion ?
From the top of my head Borough written, somewhere in this book:
As much a man increase his knowledge about a religion, as less he believe.

Maybe someone (like a priest), with many years of theological school, where he has learned Philosophie, Psychology, The history of religions etc etc have a chance to explain better the Bible. Like this priest :

2) Léo Taxil - The Amusing Bible
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Léo_Taxil

How could Lots wife become a 'pillar of salt' from a nuclear weapon?

God wishes. Why you can't believe that ?

Read the The Doc Man post. He has another explanation. Just his explanation don't "stay up". . Sara should fall down as ash but if the God wish... she can become a pillar (thank you, both, for the word).

As I already said in one of my posts, I can explain everything in a believer manner, by using only 3 words: God/Creator/Wish .
So, why you think that my logic is no good ?

Hi Rabbie ! I am the concurrence.

 

[Galaxiom]

1) The single "wickedness" presented in this story is the homosexuality.

Actually no, if you consider this perspective.

http://www.luciferianliberationfront.org/stories.html#sodom

 

[Mihail]

A hypothetical situation (as an add to my previous post):
Someone ask a question about Access.
I provide a solution.
Then, Pat Harman, provide another one.
Now is the time to say something like this:

Hi Pat.
Your solution is not good, and can't be, because I have a book about Access and I can't find your solution in this book.
I don't know, and I don't care, that you have read thousands other books. I advice you to buy this book, maybe you will start to understand something about DBs.
Cheers.

How sound this ?

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

Tell me more of the catholic collusion with hitler again? Lets see if your beliefs hold up to scrutiny?

Or is this just a personnel one way diatribe against religion generally.

Are you still checking the facts after you statement - I would have thought as a follower of evidence based systems - you could have at least responded fairly quickly with what you had based your conclusion on?