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[Frothingslosh]

He tends to be blunt

He's a nice guy really

I do have to agree in some cases Bladerunner unfortunately. But I have no problems in what you believe in, you are your own man and have your own opinions and I respect that.

But I beg you please try and see both sides to every story it opens up a lot more views and understandings on the situations you come across

I finally got tired of his spewing nothing but hatred on these forums.

Note that he didn't deny any of it. I personally have no problem with people believing differently than me, but I loathe people who do nothing but spread hatred.

 

[ConnorGiles]

I finally got tired of his spewing nothing but hatred on these forums.

Note that he didn't deny any of it. I personally have no problem with people believing differently than me, but I loathe people who do nothing but spread hatred.

He did not no

Which is why my comment came into play

But I beg you please try and see both sides to every story it opens up a lot more views and understandings on the situations you come across

 

[Frothingslosh]

It appears I did that too

It is indeed a violation of the first amendment.

Rules are rules I suppose

Look at it this way:

Can you imagine the awe-inspiring rage that would result if someone were to ever replace the word "God" with "Allah" while saying the Pledge?

Plus, non-Christians, be they Wiccan, Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist, Taoist, Pastafarian, athiest, or anything else, should not have to swear by the Christian God. That is one reason that was written into the First Amendment. (I'll admit, though, that the main reason for that line is because the people who wrote the Constitution and the Bill of Rights had seen a thousand years of religious warfare in Europe, and wanted to make damned sure it couldn't happen in the US.)

 

[ConnorGiles]

Look at it this way:

Can you imagine the awe-inspiring rage that would result if someone were to ever replace the word "God" with "Allah" while saying the Pledge?

Plus, non-Christians, be they Wiccan, Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist, Taoist, Pastafarian, athiest, or anything else, should not have to swear by the Christian God. That is one reason that was written into the First Amendment. (I'll admit, though, that the main reason for that line is because the people who wrote the Constitution and the Bill of Rights had seen a thousand years of religious warfare in Europe, and wanted to make damned sure it couldn't happen in the US.)

There would be chaos, I could only imagine since the amount of rage from muslims demanding the removal of meat from a pig from food menus such as Subway (I was not happy about it myself, I just love BACON!)

In an ever changing economy, change is imminent and unstoppable.

These changes will always be opposed be it by a few people to many people, In my opinion there will always be conflict between cultures for as long as there is more than one culture in one place (and maybe not even in the same place e.g. ISIS)

We need to find aliens or something to bring everyone together as one (The human race)

 

[Frothingslosh]

We need to find aliens or something to bring everyone together as one (The human race)

You know, Ronald Reagan once said that during a speech to the UN.

From the reaction, you would have thought he'd shared a recipe for slow-roasted baby.

 

[ConnorGiles]

Well you never know - maybe finding a new race completely may spice things up a little

 

[Frothingslosh]

DAMN you reply fast.

So, in addtion:

Demanding Subway stop serving meat is idiotic. I could agree with them wanting to make sure that a special board and knife are available that never touched ham or bacon for use in making their sandwiches. (I would mention changing gloves, but the Subway employees are supposed to do that anyway.) And I'll even go so far as to say their bacon is insanely high in salt content and not very good for you. But straight-up demanding that they stop serving bacon company-wide, though, is wrong.

Still, vegans make the same demands, and you never see national headlines about THEM doing so.

 

[ConnorGiles]

Dinner time good sir!

Indeed , As Brian has stated , just because its on the menu doesn't mean you have to eat it! Yes that would be a sane solution and I don't even mind them wanting Halaal meat being on the Menu (Although I am an animal lover and think the way that this meat is done is extremely cruel) but to change the way we eat for their own piece of mind is out of order.

Yes Vegans make these demands every day but they aren't considered serious. Problem is our countries are to scared of the word "Discrimination".

 

[Bladerunner]

That or I did some quick fact-checking via Wikipedia. ;-)

The reason it keeps coming up is because having references to God in official things like the Pledge of Allegiance or the national motto is a direct violation of the First Amendment. A more minor violation than most, but a violation nonetheless.

The 1st amendment concerns about religion is to prevent the government from declaring any one religion as a state religion and requiring people to use it.

By your reasoning, the 'in God' we trust on the coins, the 'under God' in the Pledge of allegiance, marriage vows that have God in them, should be all null and void?

 

[Bladerunner]

I finally got tired of his spewing nothing but hatred on these forums.

Note that he didn't deny any of it. I personally have no problem with people believing differently than me, but I loathe people who do nothing but spread hatred.

Since when did speaking the truth become hatred. You and I are on different sides of the coin. Just because I tell everyone what the Liberals are trying to do to this country (in my opinion along with some facts to back it up), does not mean I don't uphold the freedom of choice for you and your ideals. It is just, I do not agree with them and about 60% of the populations does not agree with them. Is that hate????? According to you it apparently is?

 

[Bladerunner]

Look at it this way:

Can you imagine the awe-inspiring rage that would result if someone were to ever replace the word "God" with "Allah" while saying the Pledge?

Plus, non-Christians, be they Wiccan, Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist, Taoist, Pastafarian, athiest, or anything else, should not have to swear by the Christian God.

In the Islam religion, the Arabic word for God is Allah! They recognize the same God, they just do not recognize Christianity. "In God we Trust", "Under God" does not say anything about the type of Religion.

You do not have to swear to God. Like the girl in the Pledge of Allegiance Law-suit, she does not have to say any thing. It causes her stress, mental anguish and just mainly feeeellll bad, if she hears it while others are saying it.,,,Oh, my.... I feel her pain......NOT

I apologize if this is considered hate speech to the masses on this forum

 

[ConnorGiles]

The 1st amendment concerns about religion is to prevent the government from declaring any one religion as a state religion and requiring people to use it.

By your reasoning, the 'in God' we trust on the coins, the 'under God' in the Pledge of allegiance, marriage vows that have God in them, should be all null and void?

Okay for starts, The coin - It does not make the coin null and void therefore it is still valuable ( just because it says "In god we trust" doesn't mean we do) instead we use this currency to buy valuables and food.

The pledge of allegiance is a binding term and if you are binding under something (in your mind) is imaginary then you are not actually pledging allegiance under anything. That is of course if you aren't religious.

Last of all - Marriage vows with the word "God" in them usually means they are religious so by all means you can say it. Even if you aren't religious you can say the word god in your vows but it would hold no meaning. Everyone who gets married in a church aren't religious. Anyone could say they are a Christian and get married. (People do it for the ceremony).

60% of the populations does not agree with them

Can I get a credible source of evidence for this statement?

 

[ConnorGiles]

In the Islam religion, the Arabic word for God is Allah! They recognize the same God, they just do not recognize Christianity. "In God we Trust", "Under God" does not say anything about the type of Religion.

You do not have to swear to God. Like the girl in the Pledge of Allegiance Law-suit, she does not have to say any thing. It causes her stress, mental anguish and just mainly feeeellll bad, if she hears it while others are saying it.,,,Oh, my.... I feel her pain......NOT

I apologize if this is considered hate speech to the masses on this forum

It does however state there is only one god, how about the religions with more than one? Norse religion for example.

Also people from different religions refer to their Gods such as Allah by the tongue in which they learnt it. If they moved to america they would not call Allah "God" they would still call it Allah.

 

[Bladerunner]

Demanding Subway stop serving meat is idiotic. I could agree with them wanting to make sure that a special board and knife are available that never touched ham or bacon for use in making their sandwiches. (I would mention changing gloves, but the Subway employees are supposed to do that anyway.) And I'll even go so far as to say their bacon is insanely high in salt content and not very good for you. But straight-up demanding that they stop serving bacon company-wide, though, is wrong.

Still, vegans make the same demands, and you never see national headlines about THEM doing so.

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Let me expand on that. In our schools, they have now begun to build or allot places where the Muslims can pray and and wash up,etc....... but at the same time they rule any Christian activities out because the schools they are consider a part of the government and the government cannot promote a religion. Is this not promoting Islam? You people (mostly liberals) who want to change America, want to do so with the idea being that anything, anyone that is opposed to you. is out which is why you get so mad at me. In others words, have it your way and rule out Christianity all together. I would have no problem with the schools allowing activities for all other religions if they did not exclude Christianity.

 

[Frothingslosh]

One thing far-right religious fanatics like to Blade try to do is claim the First Amendment only prevents the direct establishment of a state religion. Unfortunately for them, the Supreme Court has ruled consistantly that it means a full, 100% separation - no favoring one religion over another in any way whatsoever. (The first time this came up appears to have been Reynolds vs United States in 1879.)

As a result of the ruling, US, state, and local governments must either avoid religious expression at all, or else allow it for ALL religions. Generally that means no Ten Commandments monuments in state courtrooms, no teacher-led or officially sanctioned prayers in public schools, thinks like that. While some (generally asinine) New Atheists want all religious Christmas decorations removed entirely (just as some fanatics go berserk when you say Happy Holidays), as a rule you can have them up as long as you also allow displays for holidays like Kwanzaa, Chanukah, Festivus, and the Winter Solstice.

Typically, however, what you see in the US is fundamentalists and fanatics constantly pushing to have Christianity implemented as a de facto state religion, then throwing screaming fits about some non-existant 'War on Christianity' when they get slapped down. This ranges from 10 Commandments monuments in courthouses to The Family to the yearly attempts in Texas to have creationism included in science texts and evolution and the history of the universe removed.

Good luck on the credible source thing. Last time someone asked for one, Blade linked to a couple white supremacist/conspiracy sites.

 

[Bladerunner]

Okay for starts, The coin - It does not make the coin null and void therefore it is still valuable ( just because it says "In god we trust" doesn't mean we do) instead we use this currency to buy valuables and food

Check out the latest polls, not newspaper or blogs but polls out there.

If it does not matter, then why do they want it taken off the coin? Does not make any sense except to get rid of any mention of Christianity in this country. They want to destroy Christianity.

Marriage under God is a personal preference and I have no problem with that. It all comes down to ONE decision and you have to make it.

 

[BlueIshDan]

I kind of think the Government should be completely separated from religion OR they should separate religious concerns from others. There is a place for religion and there is a place for education. No need to mix in my opinion. They can surely manage to create a place for religion for their people outside of schools.

(Subway topic) Businesses should accommodate for the different religious preferences. With that said, businesses will obviously make the decision that appeases the majority of their consumers / customers. Unless it can be forced down our throats (Net Neutrality Happenings... )

Also, people should accept the fact that their religion is theirs. It is not a kingdom, not a cult, etc. It is a personal connection to your God or way of being that you believe in.
Sure maybe you're a part of a religion that has many people following it. This does not mean that you're the one and only and all others shall fall or all others are wrong and idiotic.

People are just plain crazy.. geez.

Sorry blade for what you call one of my ridiculous rants, but my thoughts are just as valid as yours.

 

[Bladerunner]

It does however state there is only one god, how about the religions with more than one? Norse religion for example.

Also people from different religions refer to their Gods such as Allah by the tongue in which they learnt it. If they moved to america they would not call Allah "God" they would still call it Allah.

So we change America for all those that came here with different beliefs. Do you need to change the UK so the Muslims community can feel more at home? Maybe . give them Sheria Law that supercedes your written laws? Or maybe just a few changes at a time makes everybody feel better but in the end it still results in the same scenario. Chaos.

Well, I guess what is happening is inevitable. the bible tells us that in the end of days, the Christians will be persecuted in lands. This I fear is just the beginning.

 

[Bladerunner]

I kind of think the Government should be completely separated from religion OR they should separate religious concerns from others. There is a place for religion and there is a place for education. No need to mix in my opinion. They can surely manage to create a place for religion for their people outside of schools.

(Subway topic) Businesses should accommodate for the different religious preferences. With that said, businesses will obviously make the decision that appeases the majority of their consumers / customers. Unless it can be forced down our throats (Net Neutrality Happenings... )

Also, people should accept the fact that their religion is theirs. It is not a kingdom, not a cult, etc. It is a personal connection to your God or way of being that you believe in.
Sure maybe you're a part of a religion that has many people following it. This does not mean that you're the one and only and all others shall fall or all others are wrong and idiotic.

People are just plain crazy.. geez.

Sorry blade for what you call one of my ridiculous rants, but my thoughts are just as valid as yours.

Hello BlueIshDan; Unfortunately, it does not seem to work that way. They (liberals) want the whole piece of pie. We conservatives are far more tolerant of other religions but will not allow our religion to be exiled into non-existence.As stated about the school, it allow one, then you have to allow all.

As far as stores, we now have law-suits by liberals who want to force stores sell to me even if the store decides not to. In other words, the liberals again want, 'You do what I say and that is it. That is the problem I have with the liberals. Leave me alone and I will leave you alone. Go do what ever it is that you want but do not try to push you values on me.

Your opinions are a valuable source in this thread. However, the so-called rants that I hate people, etc are just that rants. Put into writing you true beliefs not the talking points that are so prevalent on both sides.

On the other hand if you tell me that you believe I hate your lifestyle because of something that I have said or something that I have done or by someway I believe, then we can debate that and if we cannot come to an agreement on you belief then we can agree to disagree.

Hope this helps, I mean no disrespect to anyone.

 

[dan-cat]

Paid about $4,000 a year for personal insurance. Then this was coming down the road and my insurance went up to $8,000. Dropped it.

Under Obamacare I was quoted approx $4200 a year for Platinum grade insurance for a family of three. $600 a year for Bronze grade.

Either you have one heck of an income/policy or your making things up.