Are you an atheist? (1 Viewer)

[Rich]

What about the land snakes, they are the vast majority of snake species.

Higher ground.................................

 

[Mike375]

that's just an empty sentence and all your previous arguments seem to revolve around personal incredulity

You will have exactly the same problem trying to describe how a theropod can get to a bird as for lizard skull/jaws to snake skull/jaws. Not every paleontologist supports dinosaur to bird and in particular theropod to bird.

Your zealot like loyalty to evolution does not remove the problem areas.

 

[Mike375]

Higher ground.................................

Rubbish.......

 

[Rich]

Your zealot like loyalty to evolution does not remove the problem areas.

Neither does your devotion to the biblical version of events

 

[Rich]

Rubbish.......

Proof ?

 

[Mike375]

Neither does your devotion to the biblical version of events

You do have trouble reading

 

[Rich]

You do have trouble reading

Only your posts...........................................

 

[Mike375]

Only your posts...........................................

Try and ignore them. I feel bad forcing you to read my posts

 

[Rich]

Try and ignore them.

I can't while you keep giving readers the wrong impression..........

 

[Rabbie]

it's a widely repeated myth, widely repeated even in text books

References please

 

[Mike375]

I can't while you keep giving readers the wrong impression..........

You are easily controlled.

 

[Rich]

You are easily controlled.

You'd like to think so

 

[Darth Vodka]

References please

my preferred source is wikipedia

as an overview:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recapitulation_theory

"Modern biology rejects the literal and universal form of Haeckel's theory"

and on here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gill_slit

it says "In the 19th century, gill slits of vertebrate embryos were erroneously thought to be actual gills, and thus evidence for the recapitulation theory"

 

[Mike375]

You'd like to think so

I know so. I can jerk you all over the forum.

 

[Mike375]

http://www.case-creation.org.uk/palae1.html

Ernst Haeckel, Professor of Zoology at Jena, Germany, was a zealous disciple of Darwin's theory of evolution but such was his zeal to promote the evolutionary cause he was prepared to commit fraud upon fraud in order that the cause might be furthered. He is perhaps best known for his theory of 'recapitulation' which stated that the development of the human embryo repeats its alleged evolutionary history. For example, the embryo passes through a fish stage with the neck creases being likened to the gills of a fish, and the 'tail' of the foetus is said to be a parallel with the tail of a monkey. It is alleged that this demonstrates a common ancestry. Haeckel fraudulently doctored drawings to support his theory, but Professor of Anatomy, Wilhelm His, discovered the deception and exposed him. Haeckel was called before a university court where he admitted he had doctored his evidence.
Sadly, although the theory of recapitulation holds no water today and has been scientifically discredited it is still included in some science books. For example, Raymond Hawkey in his book 'Evolution', produced with the collaboration of the British Museum of Natural History, has on the back cover the following statement. "Like many other animals, human beings retrace much of their evolutionary past in the womb .... By the time it (the human foetus) is 28 days old it resembles our earliest vertebrate ancestor, the fish. Like a fish it has .... what appear to be four gill slits."
Creation ex nihilo Vol.18:2 - 1996

 

[Sum Guy]

I have always considered evolution to be part of God's plan.

 

[Rabbie]

http://www.case-creation.org.uk/palae1.html

Ernst Haeckel, Professor of Zoology at Jena, Germany, was a zealous disciple of Darwin's theory of evolution but such was his zeal to promote the evolutionary cause he was prepared to commit fraud upon fraud in order that the cause might be furthered. He is perhaps best known for his theory of 'recapitulation' which stated that the development of the human embryo repeats its alleged evolutionary history. For example, the embryo passes through a fish stage with the neck creases being likened to the gills of a fish, and the 'tail' of the foetus is said to be a parallel with the tail of a monkey. It is alleged that this demonstrates a common ancestry. Haeckel fraudulently doctored drawings to support his theory, but Professor of Anatomy, Wilhelm His, discovered the deception and exposed him. Haeckel was called before a university court where he admitted he had doctored his evidence.
Sadly, although the theory of recapitulation holds no water today and has been scientifically discredited it is still included in some science books. For example, Raymond Hawkey in his book 'Evolution', produced with the collaboration of the British Museum of Natural History, has on the back cover the following statement. "Like many other animals, human beings retrace much of their evolutionary past in the womb .... By the time it (the human foetus) is 28 days old it resembles our earliest vertebrate ancestor, the fish. Like a fish it has .... what appear to be four gill slits."
Creation ex nihilo Vol.18:2 - 1996

Regretable as it may be isolated cases of scientific fraud do not discredit the Theory of Evolution - merely discredit the perpetrators of the fraud.

Gill-like slits do appear in Embryos even if the theory of recapitulation is false.

To a large extent since the Theory of Evolution is accepted by many Christians it is no longer a key part of the argument. Certainly in Britain and Europe the theologians in general go for the line that their god kick-started life on this planet and then allowed evolution to take its course. I know this is in contrast with the creationist theory but that seems mainly to be USA based.

 

[Darth Vodka]

Certainly in Britain and Europe the theologians in general go for the line that their god kick-started life on this planet and then allowed evolution to take its course.

pfft

it's just a procession of scientists proving things god didn't do

god of the gaps

 

[Mike375]

To a large extent since the Theory of Evolution is accepted by many Christians it is no longer a key part of the argument. Certainly in Britain and Europe the theologians in general go for the line that their god kick-started life on this planet and then allowed evolution to take its course. I know this is in contrast with the creationist theory but that seems mainly to be USA based.

I argree with that. I think with "born agains" one of the reasons for sticking rigidly with the Bible is it makes a stronger debate basis and in addition does not open perceived cracks which could disturb followers.

But I can't see evolution as it is presented being the complete deal. Although I don't think divine intervention is the answer to the missing or puzzling parts.

 

[Darth Vodka]

I have always considered evolution to be part of God's plan.

his plan to do what?