Coronavirus - are we all doomed?

Hey, Mr Nautical. Some good news coming out of Italy. The daily infection rate has reduced over the last couple of days. It appears you may have already peaked. Good news. Same has happened in Germany. Only 2 days of data but it appears promising, tentatively.
 
well, good for them. here in johnson county apparently we are still at all time highs. lots of dumb college kids. =(
 
Hey, Mr Nautical. Some good news coming out of Italy. The daily infection rate has reduced over the last couple of days. It appears you may have already peaked. Good news. Same has happened in Germany. Only 2 days of data but it appears promising, tentatively.
Thanks Jon...you've been on top of this from early on. What are your thoughts regarding the suppression of information?
 
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What are your thoughts regarding the suppression of information?
My view is that there has been much misleading information. Take face masks. The BBC had a program talking about much of the misinformation about coronavirus. Their program then went on to mislead everybody about it, while claiming to be myth busting. They said face masks don't work. Then they say you need to use them properly else they don't work. Then they say there is a shortage for medics. Well, I have issues with that. Tell us the truth! How can you say face masks don't work and in the same sentence say there is a shortage for medical workers? Why would the medical workers wear them if they don't work? They are just trying to mislead the public. There are two types of mask. The surgical masks that are less effective, and the ones with a valve which are very effective. It leads to beliefs that are just not true. I spoke to someone yesterday who said they thought the medical workers only wore them so that people thought they looked like they knew what they were doing!

Next, the washing the hands thing. While it is a good thing to do, most transmission is via airborne particles. This is not highlighted. Most talk is about washing your hands. Face masks help avoid the airborne particles. But this is part of the cover-up. They don't want to tell you the truth about the face masks and that combined with the higher risk of transmission through the airborne route, because they fear there will be a run on the masks which are already in short supply.

So, in my eyes, they have lost all credibility. They are telling part of the story but not the whole story. I have been going to different sources to get clarity on the situation.

My advice is...
Get one of the valved face masks if you can find one (even the industrial non-medical ones are supposedly effective. Disclaimer: ignore everything I say!); wash hands for 30 seconds (studies show it is significantly more effective than the recommended 20 seconds); spray bleach on shopping that has plastic cover; quarantine dried food (e.g. pasta, biscuits etc) for 3 days if it is packaged in cardboard; quarantine your mail for a few days, especially if plastic transparent element on them; avoid a daily newspaper and read online if possible; avoid going to shops if possible, and if you do go, wear a face mask.

Why not turn your risk of getting the virus down to near zero? If the highest risk only lasts the next 3 months, why take any risks at all? Stay safe, stay alive and let the virus become the problem of the reckless and foolhardy.
 
In the normal course of business it would be UN-USED toilet paper and unused sanitizer and unused paper towels, etc. :p
 
As far as face masks and washing hands. Everything I have heard. Face masks can be helpful for those infected to avoid spreading the virus (which so far has be transmitted by contaminated body fluids), but probably will protect you from getting virus. Washing hands is pretty oblivious, along with that, avoid touching the face (easy entry for a virus). I have also read about how germs do not live on copper for very long. Apparently there used be a lot more copper in hospitals.
 
I say good luck sometimes and I am not sure why. I do not believe in luck.
 
but probably will protect you from getting virus
I think you meant will probably NOT protect you. If so, why do the medics wear them?
 
I went to Sainsburys this afternoon to get usual day to day stuff. Car park half empty, got everything on my list, fruit, fresh veg, vodka, bread. No queue at self serve checkouts. A pleasant experience, and I was able to steer at least 6ft away if I did meet another shopper.
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I went to Sainsburys this afternoon to get usual day to day stuff. Car park half empty, got everything on my list, fruit, fresh veg, vodka, bread. No queue at self serve checkouts. A pleasant experience, and I was able to steer at least 6ft away if I did meet another shopper.
Col
It is morbid of me to say, but I ha e to agree. The traffic here has been outstanding and the shopping even better. All in all, and I'm sure you agree, I would rather have it like it was if we could get back to normal.
 
1. China suppressed the news, thereby allowing the virus to spread to an unsuspecting world.
The only person I know of who has been saying that is me. Think about it. The Chinese doctor who raised the alarm was castigated by his own government because he was forced to apologize for his alarmist claims and had to sign a document acknowledging his irresponsibility. Then he died from the virus. Just recently the Chinese government exonerated him. So if that's not suppression of news that could have saved a lot of people grief if not their life, then what is? Note, I didn't get this from social media; it was on my national news, and they are someone who's word you can trust.
 
The first several days after the state closed all public schools, there was a mad dash to get things for the kids to eat while at home. So there was a rush to the grocery stores. Twice when I visited, they had no shopping carts because all of them were in use. It was a matter of seeing someone come out of the store and following them to grab it before someone else did.
 
Personally I think some of that will slow once people feel like they have what they need.
 

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