Coronavirus - are we all doomed?

It isnt easy to do the right thing. Doing what is right and what is legal (or protocol) are often two different things.

This man knew there would be consequences and still forged ahead. He is an honorable man, the crew will know him for his deeds and the court of public opinion will judge him fairly.

www.nbcnews.com

Navy relieves captain who raised alarm about COVID-19 on ship

The Navy relieved the captain who sounded the alarm about an outbreak of COVID-19 aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt.
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My interpretation is that the reason he was relieved of command is because he used an unsecure method of reporting a situation, not because he reported it. The implications are huge IMO. First, it allowed (maybe even facillitated) a leak of sensitive information which when published, could only cause alarm to the sailor's families when there was no decision on a response. Second, the leak did something that ought to be unforgiveable - divulging the state of readiness of a important defense asset. I'm no war strategist but that's what seems most important to me. You'll have to forgive any ignorance that I might have about how things ought to work for the US armed forces because I'm not a citizen either, but it seems he had the opportunity to make his concerns known in a more secure manner without revealing information to the enemy.
 
I'm with Micron on this issue. I learned with my years associated with the Navy that you simply DO NOT divulge certain facts, even if they are totally incontrovertible. One of them is "unit readiness' - particularly when it is a 5000-man unit and a major combat asset. It would be a trivial situation to comment that "Oh, yeah, we are doing corona virus testing." That statement is trivial because EVERYONE is doing that. But to take it to the level of suggesting that it is now rampant on a major combat asset? Not good.

The consequences of an inadvertent revelation COULD be to make that ship a target for terrorists in high-speed boats if they approached any foreign port of call. To state what he stated through sensitive channels would have been OK. To state it through unsecured channels? Bad move.
 
The_Doc_Man said:
The consequences of an inadvertent revelation COULD be to make that ship a target for terrorists in high-speed boats
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Do you really think any country may attack any other country during this hard time? Specially US?
I see this possibility bellow 0%.

Take a look at the figures in this page and tell me which country has the strength to start a war?
 
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Tera said:
Do you really think any country may attack any other country during these hard time?
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probably not, because the last one will be so intense. last one = final one on earth.
 
vba_php said:
hey Jon, have you seen this???

22 Countries Where American Tourists May Not Feel So Welcome | | Page 27

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Only 22? I would have thought it was 122. American tourists are loud, wear Hawaiian shirts with shorts, including socks with sandals and a Nikon around their neck. (I feel sick at the image) They have no idea how to queue for a bus, and speak a weird language that bears little resemblance to the Queens English. I could go on but I'll only end up with a bollocking.
Col
 
@Micron and @The_Doc_Man ,

I think you may have misunderstood my intent. I know all about OPSEC and the importance of mishandling/divulging of sensitive and classified information, especially concerning a ship's abilities. After spending 23 years in the US Navy, one learns these things.

This man felt the safety of his crew trumped that and in the interest of his crew, did what he felt was necessary because he was not getting the support he needed with the sense of urgency he felt it warranted. He put his crew above his career - that is the truest form of leadership.
 
So the "Me First Trump" suspends all PPE exports to Canada (and I guess everywhere else). That's the thanks we get after hiding and saving 6 Americans during the Iran hostage crisis. Ken Taylor is turning over in his grave. Maybe if Trump hadn't declared the virus a hoax at first, people might have responded differently and sooner. God forbid that this pandemic puts a hold on the November elections.
 
Tera said:
Do you really think any country may attack any other country during this hard time? Specially US?
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No one is saying that. You can't make exceptions in defense policy just because of where a ship might be docked.
 
Micron said:
So the "Me First Trump" suspends all PPE exports to Canada (and I guess everywhere else). That's the thanks we get after hiding and saving 6 Americans during the Iran hostage crisis. Ken Taylor is turning over in his grave. Maybe if Trump hadn't declared the virus a hoax at first, people might have responded differently and sooner. God forbid that this pandemic puts a hold on the November elections.
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Not sure what that is in response to?
 
NauticalGent said:
Not sure what that is in response to?
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It's not in response to what anyone here has posted (AFAIK) - it fits the topic though. As much as other text bites in this thread such as:
- fish tank cleaner
- calling this the Wuhan virus
- the whole world being in debt
- British politicians who've contracted the virus
- US health coverage
- patient wait times at NHS
- Hillary Clinton
- etc.

I'm not accusing you of saying it's not relevant, so I guess I'm saying it's in response to the situation and how someone in particular doesn't give a rat's a$$ about anyone else, including allies. It's worth mentioning that this is a 2-way street as we have things the US needs in this time of crisis. I'm just ticked because it's a slap in the face given what we have done for our ally in the past, and I can add more to that but don't think I need to elaborate.

You don't know how many times I've deleted a draft comment because my opinions of American politics when it has no direct effect on me is really none of my business. Sorry if my post rubs anyone the wrong way, but this time a line was crossed.
 
No worries man, I just wanted to make sure I didn't come across in a way i didn't intend to. Cant afford to piss you off before i get my ukelele!
 
I get it now. I sort of injected another tidbit into this long saga, and you thought it was directed to you because you were the last to post before me.
I was beginning to think I would be stuck with the uke o_O
 
Micron said:
So the "Me First Trump" suspends all PPE exports to Canada (and I guess everywhere else). That's the thanks we get after hiding and saving 6 Americans during the Iran hostage crisis. Ken Taylor is turning over in his grave. Maybe if Trump hadn't declared the virus a hoax at first, people might have responded differently and sooner. God forbid that this pandemic puts a hold on the November elections.
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Not to mention that Canada is the exclusive producer of many strategic raw materials American companies, including 3M (think Masks!), rely upon.
 
Poison this thread is. I will just say that the virus will not end up being successful doing any major damage when it's all said and done. It is sad that any country cannot supply their own health care workers with PPE due to a local suppliers choice to send supplies to other countries. In a crisis, you would think people would come together and try and solve the problem, instead we get finger pointing and irrational behavior and politics. Instead of asking if we are doomed, a better question is how can we help solve the problem?

Let's say we kept the rules in place and did not allow any drugs or possible cures to come to market unless they were thoroughly tested. How fast do you think we would make any progress in fighting the threat?

What would you do if you were in charge of the country?

I believe testing and removal of red tape in favor getting it done fast is the way to go. Health care workers have to have the PPE necessary to protect themselves while they perform the one of the most important jobs there is right now. If you know anyone that is part of the battle you would know this.

That Spectrum commercial with volcano describes the current mentality around the virus. "You toss all your PPE in there, and the virus ends, and everyone is happy."
 
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