Coronavirus - are we all doomed?

[AccessBlaster]

Yeah, I saw someone dragged off the street and wielded in. I guess that's one way of dealing with dissenters.

 

[Jon]

The issue with Sweden is they have a huge number of care homes infected. Since they hold the elderly, ,the death rate is much higher.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Sad but makes sense. New Orleans has a lot of elder-care centers that have been hot-beds of COVID-19 as well. Our nursing home Lambeth House was the first of our big hot spots - but sadly, not our last. We lost former New Orleans Saints' kicker Tom Dempsey to COVID-19 while he was in Lambeth House due to incipient Alzheimer's.

 

[AccessBlaster]

Tom Dempsey seemed like a good guy, I was in High School when he played here RIP

 

[mdnuts]

I have heard that one so many times now that I have to point out what the another side of the story is to that "fact", which didn't come from Fox News (aka David Pecker is Trump's best friend). In a nutshell, it is this:

- US holds billions in Iran assets and won't release any of it under the circumstances
- Iran signs nuclear non-proliferation deal/treaty in exchange for getting their assets back
- US gives Iran what belongs to them in good faith (which is the "payment" that so many seem to think happened).
- Fox tells Trumpians that Obama gave Iran billions and leaves it to the viewer to draw their own conclusion as to what that means. Naturally, no one is going to think it was Iran's money in the first place and was a reciprocal part of the treaty deal.

Whether or not it was a great deal isn't the point. I know that version yet my relatives keep harping on about the other version like it was US taxpayer money. I have never spoken about what I saw on the news because they're all brainwashed and I don't discuss politics with them. So truly, which version is right? If anyone is going to post an answer to that, I hope it is factual and based on the clear, unequicvocal and complete truth and not opinion. We both can't be right - or else I'm misinterpreting what these Iran payment comments mean.

In every single day in this nation, through every single modern Administration (but skyrocketed under Obama) the assets of Americans are seized and forfeited without a single charge against them being required. Often no conviction is had - yet they cannot get their property back.

Should we assume it's better to give it to that nation - a sworn enemy?

 

[moke123]

Are you talking about Black Asphalt?
https://www.engadget.com/2014-09-09-police-seizure-black-asphalt-network.html

 

[mdnuts]

Are you talking about Black Asphalt?
https://www.engadget.com/2014-09-09-police-seizure-black-asphalt-network.html

I hadn't heard of that, I wish I was surprised.

 

[AccessBlaster]

A research dossier compiled by the so-called "Five Eyes" intelligence alliance states that China intentionally hid or destroyed evidence of the coronavirus outbreak, leading to the loss of tens of thousands of lives around the world

The 15-page document from the intelligence agencies of the U.S., Canada, the U.K., Australia and New Zealand, was obtained by Australia's Saturday Telegraph newspaper and states that China's secrecy amounted to an “assault on international transparency."

TIMELINE OF CHINA'S POSSIBLE CORONAVIRUS COVER-UP

The dossier touches on themes that have been discussed in media reports about the outbreak of the virus, including an initial denial by China that the virus could be transmitted between humans, the silencing or "disappearing" of doctors who tried to speak up, the destruction of evidence in laboratories and refusal to provide live samples to international scientists working on a vaccine.

Specifically, the file notes that China began censoring news of the virus on search engines and social media beginning Dec. 31, deleting terms including “SARS variation," “Wuhan Seafood market” and “Wuhan Unknown Pneumonia.”

Three days later, on Jan. 3, China’s National Health Commission ordered virus samples to be either moved to designated testing facilities or destroyed, while simultaneously issuing a "no-publication order" related to the disease.

 

[Jon]

I think it was in this thread that there was a discussion about Trump's casual approach to what he says, which allegedly led to the death of someone who drank fish tank cleaner. Well, I've just watched a rather interesting video by a lawyer where they said there were a number of red flags about this incident.

Firstly, the lady who blamed Trump was a Trump-hater who had donated thousands to the Democrates. She is on record as calling him a psycho. So, blame Trump because she hates him. Gives motive to blame Trump.

Secondly, she said to police she gave a dose to her husband and herself. But she has a police record of domestic abuse against her husband, and she was also going through a divorce with him. Motive: financial gain. Previous evidence of harm against her husband. Why get half of something on divorce when you can get a whole of everything on murder?

Thirdly, why would you take something for Covid-19 if you don't actually have it?

So, could it just be plain murder, using someone she hates, Trump, as a scapegoat?

 

[Isaac]

When you lay it out like that, it definitely sounds that way. As much as I dislike Trump overall, I personally don't blame him for any of that stuff. He just made some off the cuff thinking aloud type of comments about, basically, hydroxycloriquine and especially about the disinfectants, which I didn't think were a big deal - he's thinking out loud, "if disinfectants kill the virus so fast on surfaces, why can't we replicate something like that in the body as treatment?", which is a valid and not at all crazy thought to have.
Even when I don't like people, I try to think fairly towards them.

Another possibility is that yes they wanted to get on the news in order to make Trump look bad ... and also didn't think they were going to die, quite. Or the husband murder. Either one makes sense to me.

 

[Jon]

Apparently, because it is an unusual death, there is a homicide detective on the case. That doesn't imply guilt because it is a common procedure.

 

[moke123]

The only reference I could find of her being a "Prolific Dem. Donor" was in the Washington Free Beacon which is the paper who originally hired FusionGPS to investigate Trump (Steele Dossier). They have a mixed rating as to truth telling.
link to story which says she donated thousands https://freebeacon.com/latest-news/...aner-was-prolific-donor-to-democratic-causes/
link to open secrets shows $2k in donations ...https://www.opensecrets.org/donor-lookup/results?name=wanda+Lenius

there are some sources claiming theres an open homocide investigation and some denying it.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...-man-not-being-investigated-homicide-n1195591

The domestic was her apparently hitting him with a bird house which was dismissed.

Bottom line if your trying to poison someone, do you also take the poison?

As far as the Attorney video if it was TechnoFog he is a prolific trump supporter.

 

[Jon]

No idea who TechnoFog is.

The risk of death may depend on the dose. She was in control of the dose. Who knows, they might find she put other stuff in there too.

This is the video:

 

[AccessBlaster]

No kidding! I've been coughing since November.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

I saw an interesting article that suggests that COVID-19 has been brutal to some and mild to others based on the HLA genes that control your leukocyte "sensitivity" to disease. If you have a strong HLA response, COVID-19 never gets traction. If you have a week HLA response, it might not be so mild. The article clarified that their data was incomplete because of the time it takes to fully evaluation the HLA genes in the victims, complicated by the idea of having to take a tissue sample from a corpse might require family permission. They also need a control group. However, the intent is to delve deeply into the HLA potential.

 

[AccessBlaster]

oops! Turns out activist judges cannot jail people without bail for protesting lock downs.

 

[deletedT]

I can't understand why media attack President Trump when he calls this Chinese Virus?
What's wrong with it? The source is China. Why it's racist to call it Chinese Virus?
I'm from Japan. Is it racist if somebody calls me Japanese?
Can anybody explain?
Personally, I don't like President Trump but I can't understand why they put him under pressure when he's not wrong.
Today I've seen more than a hundred clips on SNS apps attacking president. Does it make Sense?

 

[Deleted member 147267]

IMHO that is the politically correct faction, whom I have grown tired of listening/reading to and about their views. Regardless of which side of the fence you're on, if you make enough noise you drown out the other side; the side that thinks that if they ignore you, you will go away. Unfortunately, that isn't working. Not everyone is on the pc side of the fence - I posted as much here

Corona status

Lol @ Doc

www.access-programmers.co.uk

 

[Steve R.]

I can't understand why media attack President Trump when he calls this Chinese Virus?
What's wrong with it? The source is China. Why it's racist to call it Chinese Virus?
I'm from Japan. Is it racist if somebody calls me Japanese?
Can anybody explain?
Personally, I don't like President Trump but I can't understand why they put him under pressure when he's not wrong.
Today I've seen more than a hundred clips on SNS apps attacking president. Does it make Sense?

Attribute it to "Trump Derangement Syndrome" (TDS). It's a form of mass irrationally hysteria. Sadly, there is NO logical explanation.

There have been several jokes related to TDS.

1. Should Trump cure cancer, the media would be blaming him for putting doctors out-of-work.
2. As the COVID-19 pandemic abates and people get back to using their cars, Trump will be blamed for the rise in auto accident deaths.

PS: A sub-theme that you may have heard about. The politically correct horde have been attacking symbols of the old Confederacy (US Civil War 1861-1865). Essentially, re-writing US History in a more one-sided negative manner. Yet this crowd has totally ignored the travesty of California Mission System, which wiped-out much of the local indigenous people in the California. So it is quite amazing to watch how the hatred being spread by the politically correct horde is very selective and transitory.

 

[moke123]

Tera,
The problem is not only in America, it is worldwide. Trump drew criticism because of his position and because he commands what we call the Bully Pulpit which reaches a lot of ears in the world. The WHO in 2015 reccomended against naming illnesses due to location because of the stigma it creates. As a result of calling it the China virus there were increased reports of discrimination and attacks against asian people and businesses.

Here's a wikipedia article which covers reports of such around the world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...a_and_racism_related_to_the_COVID-19_pandemic

Here's the excerpt from the entry for New York

New York

On 10 March 2020, a Korean woman in Midtown Manhattan, New York City, was confronted on the street by somebody yelling "Where is your corona mask, you Asian bitch?" before punching the woman, dislocating her jaw.[297] Later in the week, in Forest Hills, Queens, New York City, an Asian man walking with his 10-year-old son was harassed by a person yelling, "Where the fuck is your mask? You fucking Chinese" before being hit over the head.[298] Another incident occurred on 16 March where a woman in Midtown Manhattan was spat upon, and had her hair pulled out by a woman who blamed her for coronavirus.[299]

In the New York City Subway, a woman wearing a face mask was punched and kicked by a man who called her "diseased".[300] Numerous other incidences of harassment of Asians on the New York City Subway followed, including one in which a person was seen spraying an Asian man with an unknown substance.[301][302] On 19 March 2020, an Asian woman was robbed of her cellphone by a man who swung a punch at her and told her, "Go back to China", "You are dirty, get your temperature checked"; the victim was unharmed.[303] On 28 March 2020, a Chinese woman in the Bronx was harassed with racial slurs about the coronavirus by 4 teenage girls and was attacked with an umbrella on the bus. The victim required medical attention with 4 stitches on her head.[304][305]

In Brooklyn, New York, a social media post was sent from the office of New York State Assemblymember Mathylde Frontus urging citizens to avoid Chinese businesses. Frontus apologized for the message, blaming the incident on a part-time office assistant sharing a chain email; the staff worker was fired and the rest of the staff was ordered to complete cultural sensitivity training.[306][307] The apology by the Assemblymember triggered Brooklyn Community Board 13 member Ronald X. Stewart to post a xenophobic anti-Chinese rant, also targeted to Chinese-Americans, on social media expressing dismay that the Assemblymember had to make an apology. That community board member was given notice by Brooklyn Borough President Eric Adams that his reappointment to the community board would not be renewed.[306]

In March 2020, as New York became a global hotspot, prejudicial sentiment against New Yorkers began to be reported as several states put into place regulations banning, blocking or imposing quarantines on them.[308][309][310] New York state governor Andrew Cuomo proclaimed "We will not let New Yorkers be discriminated against" as he reprimanded Rhode Island for initiating xenophobic procedures targeting New Yorkers.[311]

Heres a website that collects reports of racism and harrassment against asian americans which numbered 1500 in one month
http://www.asianpacificpolicyandplanningcouncil.org/