Did I make this up?

[KenHigg]

not whilst working Ken

Bummer.

 

[dan-cat]

In this instance yes, you continued to keep looking at it from an American perspective and still do, simply asking two Malaysians their view does not make you a spokesman for the Chinese or how we should refer to their food.

And what of my two malaysian friends. What flawed perspective are they using?

And what of Paul. What flawed perspective does he have?

Anybody who disagrees with you just has some kind of defect is that right?

Oh and for the record Malaysians do not come from China

Duh! I guess they just got confused when some bigot used the term to deride them with the word "chink". That's their fault too huh? I'm sure the bigot would never had said such a thing if he knew they were from Malayasia.

I'm not telling the UK how to use their language. I'm just illustrating your crass attitude towards your use of it.

 

[KenHigg]

... I'm just illustrating your crass attitude towards your use of it.

crass ( P ) Pronunciation Key (krs)
adj. crass·er, crass·est
So crude and unrefined as to be lacking in discrimination and sensibility

Good word! 2 points for Dan

 

[Kraj]

*Shakes head, silently wonders why he bothers, and departs.*

 

[Rich]

used the term to deride them with the word "chink". .

I didn't use the word Chink, you did

 

[Rich]

. I'm just illustrating your crass attitude towards your use of it.

again, you're basing it on an American perspective

 

[dan-cat]

again, you're basing it on an American perspective

...

 

[dan-cat]

who cares it offends people - its the land of the free, we can upset anyone we like.

You know something, you hit the final nail in your coffin squarely on the head with this comment. You're right, just because the majority consider it acceptable, doesn't mean some will not take offense. Doesn't change the origin of the term either.

One rule for "redskin", same rule for "chinkie". There is no difference. They are both racial terms that some will find offensive.

You shot yourself in the foot mate. Nice one.

 

[Rich]

And what of my two malaysian friends. What flawed perspective are they using?

They're not Chinese, therefore can't possibly offer a Chinese perspective

And what of Paul. What flawed perspective does he have?
.

He's one of thousands posting here from the UK. that does not make him spokesman on our behalf.

Anybody who disagrees with you just has some kind of defect is that right?

Depends on the topic

Duh! I guess they just got confused when some bigot used the term to deride them with the word "chink". That's their fault too huh? I'm sure the bigot would never had said such a thing if he knew they were from Malayasia.

That's between them and the bigot who called them a Chink, nothing to do with me, I've never met them, or called them a chink so don't use them as evidence against me.

 

[dan-cat]

They're not Chinese, therefore can't possibly offer a Chinese perspective

No they just offer a perspective on how such terms get used.
It doesn't surprise me that the bigot didn't get it right.

He's one of thousands posting here from the UK. that does not make him spokesman on our behalf.

Same goes with yourself

Depends on the topic

No depends on their opinion

That's between them and the bigot who called them a Chink, nothing to do with me, I've never met them, or called them a chink so don't use them as evidence against me.

I know you're not interested in the similarity between "Chink" and "Chinkie".

Tell me something. Why do you call a Chinese restaurant a "Chinkie". Is it because it's run by "chinks". Or is that just a coincidence?

 

[MrsGorilla]

That's between them and the bigot who called them a Chink, nothing to do with me, I've never met them, or called them a chink so don't use them as evidence against me.

OK, I'm confused. You keep saying you've never called anyone a chink, but you'll use the word chinky quite openly and say it's not offensive because it refers to the food and not the person? That doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me as the word chinky is obviously derived from the word chink.

Cambridge Dictionary

I personally don't see a whole lot of difference in using the two terms. You must understand, Rich, that most of the people here (from the states anyway) don't give a flip whether you use that term over in the UK or not. We don't know whether it's accepted or not. But clearly it is derived from a term that is considered by some to be offensive and clearly everyone in the UK doesn't share your point of view that it isn't offensive.

And before you go off about the whole Redskins thing, people here have been against that for a long time too and I think that it will change at some point in the future. I just don't know how long it will take to get that term out of our mainstream. I'm sure there are other articles out there, but I'm at work and don't have time to search for them.

Washington Post Redskins Article

 

[Rich]

OK, I'm confused. You keep saying you've never called anyone a chink, but you'll use the word chinky quite openly and say it's not offensive because it refers to the food and not the person? That doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me as the word chinky is obviously derived from the word chink.

http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/38/messages/1234.html

 

[Rich]

Why do you call a Chinese restaurant a "Chinkie". Is it because it's run by "chinks". Or is that just a coincidence?

Who said Chinese restaurants are all run by Chinese ?

 

[dan-cat]

http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/38/messages/1234.html

Somebody else not very interested in derivations.

 

[dan-cat]

Who said Chinese restaurants are all run by Chinese ?

I have no idea. I just wanted your view on how the word was coined.

 

[MrsGorilla]

http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/38/messages/1234.html

Sooo, by virtue of the link you posted, that word started out as a derogatory phrase but was adopted by the Chinese community. But it says in the post (from the link) that it would be considered extremely politically incorrect if used by people of another community. So I'm still left asking myself the same question.

It would be the same thing (as someone else has already posted somewhere) as black people calling each other '******' but no one else is allowed to do that or it is considered racist. I think I understand where you're coming from but I just wanted you to understand where we in the States were coming from as a reaction to that. I personally haven't ever heard anyone use the term chinky to refer to a Chinese takeaway meal but it's not common here. People in this area would equate it to calling someone a Chink since it's derived from that word and would probably stay away from it.

 

[Rich]

I just wanted your view on how the word was coined.

read the link I posted

 

[Rich]

Sooo, by virtue of the link you posted, that word started out as a derogatory phrase but was adopted by the Chinese community. But it says in the post (from the link) that it would be considered extremely politically incorrect if used by people of another community. So I'm still left asking myself the same question.

It would be the same thing (as someone else has already posted somewhere) as black people calling each other '******' but no one else is allowed to do that or it is considered racist. I think I understand where you're coming from but I just wanted you to understand where we in the States were coming from as a reaction to that. I personally haven't ever heard anyone use the term chinky to refer to a Chinese takeaway meal but it's not common here. People in this area would equate it to calling someone a Chink since it's derived from that word and would probably stay away from it.

It's very common here, despite the claims of one or two posting here the vast majority of Brits do not use the term in any derogatory sense towards the Chinese.
Of all the ethnic groups here the Chinese (mostly from Hong Kong) are probably held with the highest affection and regard by the Brits

 

[dan-cat]

read the link I posted

The poster doesn't seem to know how it originated...

Is 'chinky' used in a derogatory way as a widespread term of abuse? As I say, I had only heard it referring to a takeaway, never a person. I have been careful about when I have used that expression since, but I would like to reclaim it as an acceptable word for a Chinese takeaway, but if not, then c'est la vie.

Is it just a standalone word that dropped out of thin air? Just a coincidence that it is similar to the word "chink" and yet refers to a Chinese restaurant?

Is that your view?

 

[Rich]

The poster doesn't seem to know how it originated...

I thought he stated quite clearly that it was Asian in origin