Expel Wayward Republicans from the Senate? (1 Viewer)

[AccessBlaster]

Most of these little pricks are well connected. Their families are often high ranking members of liberal society. They tend to commit their crimes in liberal blue states and face liberal judges that tend to understand the little prick's dilemmas.

 

[Pat Hartman]

BLM protestors have been charged with federal crimes, lets not fool ourselves.

Have 5,000 FBI agents been assigned to ferret out every single participant who attended a BLM or Antifa riot? Did they all get jail without bail? Where they held for years prior to trial? Did the FBI violate the civil rights of thousands by forcing banks and phone companies to give them geo data on everyone who was in DC on Jan 6th? Don't even pretend to think their treatment was "equal".

The Biden administration did a full court press to persecute every single human being who was there that day to support Trump. That is not even remotely just.

 

[AccessBlaster]

Have 5,000 FBI agents been assigned to ferret out every single participant who attended a BLM or Antifa rally? Did they all get jail without bail? Where they held for years prior to trial? Don't even pretend to think their treatment was "equal".

See my statement above. Being charged is different from actually facing consequences.

 

[Pat Hartman]

Being charged is different from actually facing consequences.

Everyone who is "charged" incurs, at a minimum, the expense of a lawyer to defend them. If you are erroneously charged, do you get your life back? Do you get reimbursed for your expenses or any losses such as your "job"?

 

[AccessBlaster]

Everyone who is "charged" incurs, at a minimum, the expense of a lawyer to defend them. If you are erroneously charged, do you get your life back? Do you get reimbursed for your expenses or any losses such as your "job"?

I think we're in agreement, maybe my phrasing could have been better

 

[Pat Hartman]

I know that some BLM and Antifa rioters were arrested. But it was nothing even resembling justice if Jan6 is the baseline for justice. And if Jan6 is not the baseline for justice then everyone in the FBI and those in the Whitehouse who colluded with them as well as the bankers and phone company management who violated YOUR Constitutional rights need to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. No more, but no less.

 

[Thales750]

You guys are so confusing.

You mean confused.

 

[moke123]

You mean confused.

There really needs to be an adult education class on how our justice system works.

If you are erroneously charged, do you get your life back? Do you get reimbursed for your expenses or any losses such as your "job"?

Having done work for the Innocence Project I would have to say sometimes, often in the millions of dollars.

Pat, I believe you have said in the past that your daughters were there on Jan 6. Were they arrested or even questioned?

 

[Isaac]

There really needs to be an adult education class on how our justice system works.


Having done work for the Innocence Project I would have to say sometimes, often in the millions of dollars.

Pat, I believe you have said in the past that your daughters were there on Jan 6. Were they arrested or even questioned?

Wrong, it is relatively rare for a person who simply gets acquitted or not-indicted to be rewarded any $ for their troubles.
Only in outlier cases, usually where there was police misconduct.

 

[moke123]

I was referencing the Innocence Project. Sorry I thought you might have known what they do.

 

[Pat Hartman]

Having done work for the Innocence Project I would have to say sometimes, often in the millions of dollars.

The over charging has to be egregious and you have to sue. The reimbursement for legal fees should be automatic if you are erroneously charged whatever that means. Or, overcharged the way Trump and the J6ers were. Those judges and AG's also need some censure for their political lawfare.

 

[Isaac]

I was referencing the Innocence Project. Sorry I thought you might have known what they do.

I'm aware of what you were referencing and the generalization outside of that reference was definitely incorrect

 

[RogerCooper]

They didn't beat the charges. The corrupt Justice Department was on their side. Also consider the political persecution of the patriots on Jan6th. who were pursued for simply being near the Capital and the illegal demands of the Justice Department that all ATM and cellphone records be given to them.

Harris' backing of bail fund during George Floyd protests dampens Trump 'prosecutor' campaign pitch

Vice President Kamala Harris is working overtime to prove she has what it takes to not only defeat former President Donald Trump in the 2024 election but also in the courtroom.

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Bail does not mean beating the charges. Defendants still face trial and possible jail time. Are you suggesting that cash bail is really meant to punish people without having to actually have a trial?

Given your concern over "fairness" what answer would you give to a BLM protester who claims that is unfair to punish them for vandalizing police stations when police crimes against Black people often go unpunished?

 

[Isaac]

what answer would you give to a BLM protester who claims that is unfair to punish them for vandalizing police stations when police crimes against Black people often go unpunished?

I'd give the same answer you've been giving us for 2 weeks: It's a false equivalency and totally irrelevant

 

[Steve R.]

Bail does not mean beating the charges. Defendants still face trial and possible jail time. Are you suggesting that cash bail is really meant to punish people without having to actually have a trial?

Given your concern over "fairness" what answer would you give to a BLM protester who claims that is unfair to punish them for vandalizing police stations when police crimes against Black people often go unpunished?

Did you even comprehend the "bail" story? You made totally false leap in logic to imply a deceitful assumption that I never made. You're underhanded implication: "Are you suggesting that cash bail is really meant to punish people without having to actually have a trial?" Seems that those on left purposely misinterpret what people say. That diminishes your credibility.

You also do not seem to fathom that the Biden administration was lawless. The Biden administration used Stalinist "justice", as expressed by
Lavrentiy Beria: "Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime."

 

[Isaac]

Bail does not mean beating the charges

But bail still means beating having to wait in jail. It's obviously an advantage, I assume you already know this though, so I won't belabor the point.

Are you suggesting that cash bail is really meant to punish people without having to actually have a trial?

Are you suggesting it doesn't constitute suffering to have to wait in jail? Have you ever been in jail before?

 

[Mike Krailo]

Given your concern over "fairness" what answer would you give to a BLM protester who claims that is unfair to punish them for vandalizing police stations when police crimes against Black people often go unpunished?

Were the BLM protesters paid to protest? Were they funded by mega donors and those that wanted to stoke fear and division? Should be a major crime to pay protesters to protest something they seen on the propaganda machine viewer. They only show you what they want to see to cause outrage. Anyone can do their own research into the matter and find out real quick the police corruption affects all races and not just one. Pointing out one or two cases is a distortion of reality.

 

[Steve R.]

@Isaac: There is a subtle subtext to the "bail" issue that @RogerCooper is avoiding to recognize. Both Biden and Harris supported the protestors. Harris even went so far as to assist with setting up a bail fund to help the protestors. When have you ever heard of a prosecutor (Harris claimed to be an aggressive prosecutor that upheld the law) helping defendants by setting up a bail fund. That appears to be totally illogical. By there very actions, both Biden and Harris were twisting the law to drop any criminal charges against the protestors.

 

[Isaac]

I agree, and it's well known that democrat leaders in general expressed major sympathy towards the protestors and riots, stuff like "Well you really shouldn't have set fire to that police building and chained the doors shut with people inside, but we understand your pain", etc. etc.

Even if the federal government didn't have jurisdiction over the majority of BLM's crimes, it certainly makes a difference what posture they take to it all.

 

[RogerCooper]

@Isaac: There is a subtle subtext to the "bail" issue that @RogerCooper is avoiding to recognize. Both Biden and Harris supported the protestors. Harris even went so far as to assist with setting up a bail fund to help the protestors. When have you ever heard of a prosecutor (Harris claimed to be an aggressive prosecutor that upheld the law) helping defendants by setting up a bail fund. That appears to be totally illogical. By there very actions, both Biden and Harris were twisting the law to drop any criminal charges against the protestors.

It is common for prosecutors to waive bail for non-violent offenses. For that matter, bail funds were setup for 1/6 rioters by people associated with Trump.

There is nothing unusual about condemning criminal actions in a protest while sympathizing with some of their goals.

Isaac, your point seems to be

1. 1/6 rioters should not punishing for assaulting police because BLM rioters were not punished for vandalizing police stations
(True Equivalency)

2. BLM rioters should have been punished for vandalizing police stations even though police often commit unpunished criminal acts against Black people,
(False Equivalency)

Can you lay out your objective standard for who should be punished and who should be unpunished?