Getting Rid of the Electoral College Blight

[The_Doc_Man]

Propaganda controls y'alls thinking, not reality, nothing can change that.

Right back at you, big guy.

 

[Pat Hartman]

Not sure you've noticed but as kids today say "he's a little cray cray"

That's because he disagrees with the government agencies that control additives in our food. He also disagrees with many of the newer vaccines. Everyone who disagrees with the pretend science foisted on us in recent years is a danger to humanity and should be jailed according to way too many of the "cray cray" on the other side of the issue.

I'm guessing that no one is actually enforcing the vaccination requirements on the children of illegal immigrants. Apparently, they can't spread these diseases that are still prevalent in their home countries just as they couldn't spread COVID. US citizens could not enter their OWN country at the height of the COVID scare if they were not properly vaccinated but if you were illegal, it was OK. You didn't need to be vaccinated AND we gave you a free pass to fly anywhere you wanted to go so you could be sure to expose others.

Exclusive | Migrant students in NYC schools without proof of vaccinations

Many of the migrant children arriving in New York City are unvaccinated, but can still attend school.

nypost.com

Diseases that were long ago eradicated in the US are coming back. Many parents have been frightened into not having their children vaccinated even with vaccines that have been proven safe for over 50 years due to the increase in autism diagnoses.

I'm saying you cannot comprehend scale.

You know all that talk about red-lining and discrimination that blacks faced in the past? Well, except for the Wilson administration where it was systemic, it wasn't systemic at all. It was individual bureaucrats enforcing what they thought was right. We have that now but much worse as the power of the deep state grows. Most people can't afford to fight the government when the government oversteps its bounds. That will change hopefully with the recent law change that allows federal agencies to be sued by citizens.

I manage a company that engineers coastal homes. As usual, you only see facts that support your world view. Of course the water front properties have been bought up by affluent people,that is one of the perks of being good at navigating a capitalist society.

And, they've gotten better able to withstand storms. I prefer to not clutter our barrier islands with huge houses but if you can afford to build or buy one, good for you. Then you shouldn't need me to subsidize your insurance costs. Enjoy your view but pay your own insurance. Insurance companies spread this risk by creating high-risk pools. My risk of being wiped out by a storm is real but less than average. Why should I have to pay to rebuild the McMansion that was built at ground level on a barrier island every time a storm damages it?

They were necessary 250 years ago. If the EC was leaning Left you would have a fit. Personally part of me says leave Texas alone two more elections cycles and we won't see a republican President forever.

Don't assume that Republicans think like you do. I think the Constitution was a masterwork. If you want to change it, lobby Congress. Lobby your state legislature and ask them to call a Convention of States to propose amendments. Your problem is that if you don't like the Constitution or laws based on it, you feel that it is OK to simply ignore the law. WRONG. That isn't the way this country is supposed to work and you have almost succeeded in breaking it by importing 20 million illegal aliens in under 4 years. It is simply not OK to allow thieves to steal from stores as long as they take less than a thousand dollars worth of merchandise each time. Cash bail doesn't make us safer when it is applied to crimes where others are physically injured. Moke told us earlier (I don't know if it was this thread) that he thought that no one should have to spend time in jail without bail. He left out the "except" though. Because the "except" is if you are a Trump supporter and especially if you committed the heinous crime of "parading". NO BAIL at all - ever - is appropriate for that crime.

 

[moke123]

Moke told us earlier (I don't know if it was this thread) that he thought that no one should have to spend time in jail without bail. He left out the "except" though. Because the "except" is if you are a Trump supporter and especially if you committed the heinous crime of "parading". NO BAIL at all - ever - is appropriate for that crime.

Not even close to what I said. I believe what I said is that no one should have to spend time in jail just because they're poor. I don't remember what the context was but I was responding to something you said about bail. You have a poor understanding on how courts operate, many people do, so your not alone. You should sit in at your local district court some day and watch. Mondays are usually busy because of the weekend crowd. My daughter did it and learned a lot.

Your hostages, a small percentage of those arrested, were held because they were already out on bail in other cases, a flight risk, or deemed a danger to the community. None were held for being a trump supporter. Most others were ROR'd.

 

[Pat Hartman]

Not even close to what I said. I believe what I said is that no one should have to spend time in jail just because they're poor.

Excuse me for misquoting. And, I see that you are OK with the Jan 6th people being held without bail while we let "poor" people out even when they injure others. I guess "poor" people are just victims of the system or victims in general. I agree, poor people tend to be victimized by the "system" but allowing them to be released even when they deliberately injure another person is creating other victims but we don't seem to care about those people.

 

[moke123]

Not worth even trying to explain to you pat because you wouldn't understand or more likely don't want to understand.

Profiles of the January 6th Inmates in the D.C. Jail

An overview of the twenty January 6th inmates held in Washington, D.C., including the charges and evidence levied against them.

www.justsecurity.org

 

[ColinEssex]

I see that you are OK with the Jan 6th people being held without bail

Are the USA government still searching for people who were in Washington on Jan 6th? Or have they given up the search now? If so, those that haven't been caught must have got away with smashing up Congress.
Col

 

[Thales750]

Not worth even trying to explain to you pat because you wouldn't understand or more likely don't want to understand.

Profiles of the January 6th Inmates in the D.C. Jail

An overview of the twenty January 6th inmates held in Washington, D.C., including the charges and evidence levied against them.

www.justsecurity.org

Mostly I just skim through what she writes. In my entire life I have never met a person that is so obsessed with being right. I mean that literely.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

If so, those that haven't been caught must have got away with smashing up Congress.

No, those people who got away with bastardizing and destroying Congress are called Democrats. Some of them are still in office.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Mostly I just skim through what she writes. In my entire life I have never met a person that is so obsessed with being right. I mean that literely.

From your posts, I would suggest finding a sturdy mirror.

 

[ColinEssex]

No, those people who got away with bastardizing and destroying Congress are called Democrats. Some of them are still in office.

I thought they were ordinary people on 6th Jan.
Col

 

[Isaac]

Virtually no democrats or republicans on this forum, almost all Independents. You would think we could all agree on something

The whole "I'm an independent" thing is SO overblown. Everybody and their brother likes to say that, but the truth is most people fall / lean pretty hard toward D or R. They just hate to admit it, as then they might get challenged "but what about __?"

Kinda like on Reddit where if the conversation is about a medication, suddenly everyone claims they are a doctor or a scientist.

 

[AccessBlaster]

The whole "I'm an independent" thing is SO overblown. Everybody and their brother likes to say that, but the truth is most people fall / lean pretty hard toward D or R. They just hate to admit it, as then they might get challenged "but what about __?"

Kinda like on Reddit where if the conversation is about a medication, suddenly everyone claims they are a doctor or a scientist.

Well yeah, it's a two party system. I was born into the democrat party and left in the 80's. It's now hip to say you're an independent, all the cool kids are doing it

 

[Isaac]

were held because they were already out on bail in other cases, a flight risk, or deemed a danger to the community. None were held for being a trump supporter.

It is ignorant to the point of you-yourself-don't-even-really-think-this, to assert that the Deeming of someone [as a flight risk or danger] is not regularly contaminated by political bias especially in Jan 6th cases.

You're quoting the textbook, not real life - kind of a laugh for someone who claims to have a lot of real life experience.

 

[Isaac]

Well yeah, it's a two party system. I was born into the democrat party and left in the 80's. It's now hip to say you're an independent, all the cool kids are doing it

My parents were interesting to me, in that they raised us Republicans. We were very poor, and probably would have stood to gain from voting Democrat like all the people around us did in farmland, but we voted Republican on principle. The principles they stood for, and generally "pushed" the country in that direction, were superior to that of the Democrats in my parents' opinion......Thus we didn't "vote our wallet" by any means. To this day I am proud of voting more on principle than what short term monetary giveaway some particular party can offer me.

Unfortunately a third of our country today votes based on some extremely short term viewpoint of what free handouts they can get from the government. This is par for the course on how socialists and communists come into power. Democrats are a danger to democracy and free market

 

[moke123]

It is ignorant to the point of you-yourself-don't-even-really-think-this, to assert that the Deeming of someone [as a flight risk or danger] is not regularly contaminated by political bias especially in Jan 6th cases.

You're quoting the textbook, not real life - kind of a laugh for someone who claims to have a lot of real life experience.

Nah, you've just been programmed to think any charges against a maga is political. It's the standard response, right alongside TDS.
I testify in 2-3 58A's (dangerousness hearings) every month. Never once has a judge inquired about anyone's political affiliations.
Not a heavy lift to say that anyone who assaults a LEO while they are committing another crime is a danger.

 

[Isaac]

to think any charges against a maga is political.

I don't think that automatically, but clearly it's not correct that bias never enters into a judge's decisions, either. The truth is in the middle - sometimes it does; sometimes it doesn't. In fact, studies have shown that race alone can predict the harshness of sentencing, which debunks your polllyanna perspective

 

[Thales750]

The whole "I'm an independent" thing is SO overblown. Everybody and their brother likes to say that, but the truth is most people fall / lean pretty hard toward D or R. They just hate to admit it, as then they might get challenged "but what about __?"

Kinda like on Reddit where if the conversation is about a medication, suddenly everyone claims they are a doctor or a scientist.

Sorry, not always. When you talk to people, you find that the ones that don't worship Trump, or rant the left chants, are quite moderate. I have found that Trump supporters believe more than most, that everyone not in support of Trump are brainwashed libtards. People that I know that are fat enough to the left seem to have the same convictions.

 

[Thales750]

Well yeah, it's a two party system. I was born into the democrat party and left in the 80's. It's now hip to say you're an independent, all the cool kids are doing it

Maybe try being one for a change. You might be surprised at the value of out of the box thinking.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

I thought they were ordinary people on 6th Jan.
Col

They were Republicans (who ARE ordinary people) or Homeland Security agitators (about whom, since I can't say anything nice, I will say nothing at all, like my Mama taught me.)

 

[Pat Hartman]

It's now hip to say you're an independent, all the cool kids are doing it

Actually the "cool" kids are now all Trans.

Mostly I just skim through what she writes. In my entire life I have never met a person that is so obsessed with being right. I mean that literely.

What do you see when you look in a mirror?

I testify in 2-3 58A's (dangerousness hearings) every month. Never once has a judge inquired about anyone's political affiliations.

Do you think they are so ignorant that they don't see bogus charges when they see them?

"Twenty (20) January 6th inmates were held in D.C. as of Mar. 13, 2023, according to the Washington, D.C. Department of Corrections’ official list, which Just Security has obtained."
And none of these people qualify for bail? And none of these people are entitled to a speedy trial? That is "your" democracy. It is not our Republic. Only political prisoners get held for 3+ years without bail. Every second of time any of these people were in the Capitol is on video tape. Either they are guilty or not. It can't take 3+ years to bring a slam-dunk case to trial. Or is the government still suppressing the video evidence?

Those of you who think it is OK for "some people" to languish behind bars for YEARS without bail and without a trial, deserve the same fate.