Getting Rid of the Electoral College Blight

[Pat Hartman]

But yeah, get rid of the EPA because your friends pool is progress.
Couldn't she just move to another area like the women who want abortions?

I didn't say to get rid of the EPA. I said they are not doing what they are supposed to be doing. Do you think that an illegal diversion of DIRTY road runoff creates a "wetlands"? If so, then why are you upset that some company got away with dirtying OUR river? Yes, our river. I'm looking at it right now. It's probably 200' from my window. I have never heard anything regarding this pollution but I'll look into when it happened and if it was cleaned up.

Why would the EPA declare the dirty road runoff hazard a "wetlands"? Probably because they didn't want to clean it up. THAT is why they were fighting. Luckily the judge saw the pollution for what it was. POLLUTION and not wetlands. So, I am agreeing with you. The EPA is NOT doing it's job.

Why is it so hard for you to see this as a problem? Is it the TDS coloring your opinion? My friend did not cause the pollution. She was trying to get rid of it and the EPS obstructed her. The fact that the impetus for pushing the EPA to do the clean up was a pool is pretty much immaterial. The EPA was NOT doing its job, period.

Why all of a sudden it so bad?

Power corrupts.

You continue to solidify the experience of communicating with the most extreme victims of right wing brainwashing.

Maybe you should look up the meaning of "brainwashing" in your Funk and Wagnalls.

You people actually believe this stuff.

Who wrote this "manifesto"? It was not the Trump people. FYI. Next you'll be blaming Trump for Mein Kompf. He didn't write that either. And he doesn't believe in any of Hitler's ideas so that means that your insistence on calling Trump Hitler means that you have no clue what Hitler believed in and haven't read enough History to know what he did. You call him Hitler in the hopes that some wackjob will assassinate him. Yep, I have a copy of Mein Kompf. You have to read it to see how deranged Hitler was if his actions weren't sufficient. I can't say that I read the whole thing. It was poorly written and pretty deranged so I skipped around enough to get the gist of it and then put it back on the shelf.

Winner take all in not working for Texas,

Listen to yourself. Winner takes all works ONLY if you happen to agree with the majority of voters in your state. Please note that the Democrats are pushing for ALL states to adopt "winner take all" since that is the best way to circumvent the intent of the EC.

 

[Isaac]

Seriously? You have heard of Project 2025?
A published manifesto of exactly what you speak. A Fascist take over of the government, and you are projection that onto the Left.

You people actually believe this stuff.

Project 2025 ... I know its something tthey tried to make it the left wings new Boogeyman, but it never really took off lol

 

[moke123]

If so, then why are you upset that some company got away with dirtying OUR river? Yes, our river. I'm looking at it right now. It's probably 200' from my window.

Mostly because of all the people who got cancer as a result of the pcb's. They began dumping pcb's and other chemicals in the river in the 1930's until about 1977. They also had some landfills they dumped in and some of that soil was later used as fill in some neighborhoods but no one knows exactly where. One of the landfills abuts a school. pcb's can cause neurodevelopmental effects in children.

Then there's the wildlife. Eating the fish has been banned for 30 years or so. You also cant eat any of the wildlife that has contact with the river - deer, rabbit, ducks, etc. Even when the rivers gets clean it's unknown how long it may take for the fish and other wildlife to be safe.

I have never heard anything regarding this pollution but I'll look into when it happened and if it was cleaned up.

Take your time Pat. They estimate it will take 13 years for them to reach the Connecticut border. That is if all the litigation gets settled and they continue the work. So far they've cleaned up about 2 miles since the 70's. Only 150 or so miles to go. One of the big problems in cleaning up the river is they have to start at the top and work their way downriver. Unfortunately as they do this it stirs things up and it flows down the river towards you settling in all the nooks and crannies and getting dispersed over the flood plains every year with the spring melt.

hope your not a fan of local seafood.

So, I am agreeing with you. The EPA is NOT doing it's job.

I think you misunderstood me. GE wanted to walk away and is still trying to. If not for the EPA they'd be gone.

Who wrote this "manifesto"? It was not the Trump people.

Here's a list

Former Trump Officials Wrote 25 of the 30 Chapters in the Project 2025 Playbook | Revolving Door Project

Former Trump Officials Wrote 26 of the 30 Chapters in the Project 2025 Playbook

therevolvingdoorproject.org

I saw something about Jr. saying they're not going to hire anyone from P2025, but didn't say they're not going to use it.

Project 2025 ... I know its something tthey tried to make it the left wings new Boogeyman, but it never really took off lol

funny how everyone knows what it is and it gets mentioned all the time despite it never really taking off right?

Do you think that an illegal diversion of DIRTY road runoff creates a "wetlands"?

Why would the EPA declare the dirty road runoff hazard a "wetlands"?

Being in the mountains we have wetlands everywhere. I have one in the woods behind me. They are heavily regulated in Ma. for a variety of reasons, one being they purify the drinking water.

I think you may have it backwards and the EPA declared the runoff a hazard TO the wetlands.

 

[Thales750]

It's amazing how smart the founding fathers were. And how dumb we've become. There's a reason these documents have survived 200 years. They safeguard us against tyranny and mob rule.

There has been a lot of evolution in the last (almost) 250 years. Many people claim they want less government and a turn back to the original Constitution, but that only applies to laws they agree with.

Wasn't that a Mob that overran the Congress building in order to stop the election process? what a shame the leader of the Mob has a good chance of being reelected. If that doesn't speak volumes, I don't know what would.

We definitely support some serious losers now days. But really, who would want that job anyway?

 

[Thales750]

Project 2025 ... I know its something tthey tried to make it the left wings new Boogeyman, but it never really took off lol

Too much of the left is all about woke issues, it's designed that way. The Right fleece us by giving complete control of the Country to the puppet masters, and the Left creates propaganda to drive moderates to the right. It's a lose lose deal.

All paid for by the same people.

Still, Texas should not be a winner-take-all state. if it weren't it would drive more Republicans away from the insane Conservative Right,

 

[Thales750]

Listen to yourself. Winner takes all works ONLY if you happen to agree with the majority of voters in your state. Please note that the Democrats are pushing for ALL states to adopt "winner take all" since that is the best way to circumvent the intent of the EC.

You mean end the winner-take-all? I've been against it for Texas for much longer than the average Democrat. It's egregious here. We are a purple state our demographics runs the entire spectrum, but only Republicans get to vote for the President, and 5 million Democrats get their vote changes to, you guest it, Republican.

You only believe that because that is how you are. Texas should spilt it votes to represent the residents of Texas. The only reason you disagree is because there is no version of the reality of this world that will sway you from the hardest right position possible.

So you think everyone behaves the way you do. We don't.

I am as far from being a Liberal as almost anyone, I'm just further from being a Conservative. This is something you cannot understand.

You don't want to see it happen because Republicans will no longer be able to lend their total allegiance to the ultra rich. Woe the day the Republicans have to get rid of their Conservative cult followers. Without the EC we would have a more moderate centered Government.

 

[AccessBlaster]

There has been a lot of evolution in the last (almost) 250 years.

The Constitution is called a living document because it was built to adapt over time without losing its core principles. Sure, it might not cover every modern situation perfectly, but it still outshines any alternative you’re suggesting. The framers were smart in the way they crafted it, balancing flexibility with lasting relevance. Your use of 'evolution' in reference to the Constitution says a lot about how you see it.

 

[Thales750]

The Constitution is called a living document because it was built to adapt over time without losing its core principles. Sure, it might not cover every modern situation perfectly, but it still outshines any alternative you’re suggesting. The framers were smart in the way they crafted it, balancing flexibility with lasting relevance. Your use of 'evolution' in reference to the Constitution says a lot about how you see it.

Which kind of goes against your argument about winner take all. LOL On the one hand you say, it's been working for 200 years, and then, Oh yeah, it's a work in progress.
I agree it's evolving pretty good. Accept, when it doesn't. What is does say is that the States have some leeway in determining the direction of their election procedures.
And, Texas needs to switch to a more accurate representation. That rubs y'all wrong, because switching will make the Republican party get rid of the Trumptsers and Conservatives in general. They'll become moderates.

We can't have that now can we?

In one fell swoop, poof the end of Republican Presidents until they become main stream, what a concept.

I voted for Regan, and for Bush Senior (the 1st time) , back in those days Republicans where actual patriots, now they're just Fascist dictator wannabes doing the bidding of the major donators. The leadership in the left does it too, just in a different way

Bush Jr. was cool, a patriate and a guy that made it OK to butcher words like a real Texan.

Even in the Regan days, it was obvious that Texas was getting purple, now it's time for some change.
Proud to live in the state with the largest purple population.

 

[AccessBlaster]

Which kind of goes against your argument about winner take all. LOL On the one hand you say, it's been working for 200 years, and then, Oh yeah, it's a work in progress.
I agree it's evolving pretty good. Accept, when it doesn't. What is does say is that the States have some leeway in determining the direction of their election procedures.
And, Texas needs to switch to a more accurate representation. That rubs y'all wrong, because switching will make the Republican party get rid of the Trumptsers and Conservatives in general. They'll become moderates.

We can't have that now can we?

In one fell swoop, poof the end of Republican Presidents until they become main stream, what a concept.

I voted for Regan, and for Bush Senior (the 1st time) , back in those days Republicans where actual patriots, now they're just Fascist dictator wannabes doing the bidding of the major donators. The leadership in the left does it too, just in a different way

Bush Jr. was cool, a patriate and a guy that made it OK to butcher words like a real Texan.

Even in the Regan days, it was obvious that Texas was getting purple, now it's time for some change.
Proud to live in the state with the largest purple population.

I get what you're saying about Texas turning purple, but let's be real Texas doesn’t have the political will to actually make the change.

 

[Isaac]

Uhh

 

[Thales750]

I get what you're saying about Texas turning purple, but let's be real Texas doesn’t have the political will to actually make the change.

More like the gerrymandering has made it very difficult. I think maybe the Dems are thinking just wait, an election soon will flip. Then they don't have to compromise with the Republicans. It Texas flips with winner-take-all still in place, it will numerically end Republican Presidents prospects.
All the conservatives will which they had ended it when they were in power for 50 something years.

It's an 80 point flip. -40R & +40D If Texas flips votes the country follows. All of a sudden I make a lot more sense,.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

We definitely support some serious losers now days.

Like Kamala, who was given the job to curtail illegal immigration but did nothing except draw a salary and laugh nervously, then spew word salad in order to deflect the question.

 

[AccessBlaster]

All of a sudden I make a lot more sense,.

Let's not get crazy now.

 

[Pat Hartman]

Gee, thanks for that moke. I never knew that dumping carcinogens was bad for us. Recognizing irony isn't your strong suit.

Being in the mountains we have wetlands everywhere. I have one in the woods behind me. They are heavily regulated in Ma. for a variety of reasons, one being they purify the drinking water.

Wow, you can't even agree that calling dirty road runoff "wetlands" is overreach. Talk about mindless. I guess all that tar and oil aren't hazardous if the EPA tells you the crud is "wetlands"

Wasn't that a Mob that overran the Congress building in order to stop the election process? what a shame the leader of the Mob has a good chance of being reelected. If that doesn't speak volumes, I don't know what would.

You REALLY need to study history. There you will find actual mobs, wanton destruction, bombs, murder even. Those mobs weren't Republicans and they weren't guilty of that heinous crime of "parading". Please note that no one was charged with "insurrection", especially the evil orange man, because there wasn't one. The huge crime the tourists were charged with was "parading". A few people actually were destructive and stole things. They were charged appropriately. So, the phony Democrats and lying talking heads can say insurrection, insurrection, insurrection until they choke to death on the word but that doesn't mean there was an insurrection. It only means that you have no critical thinking ability and are willing to be brainwashed.

 

[Pat Hartman]

And, Texas needs to switch to a more accurate representation. That rubs y'all wrong,

I don't see anyone arguing with you. The Constitution allows Texas do decide how to allocate their EC votes. Maybe you're arguing with yourself. My mother-in-law used to do that. We all thought it was hysterical when she lost the argument

 

[Thales750]

Like Kamala, who was given the job to curtail illegal immigration but did nothing except draw a salary and laugh nervously, then spew word salad in order to deflect the question.

Like a New York con man wanna be dictator.

 

[Pat Hartman]

Like a New York con man wanna be dictator.

Irony is also lost on you. Must be a Democrat trait, along with not having a sense of humor.

 

[moke123]

Wow, you can't even agree that calling dirty road runoff "wetlands" is overreach. Talk about mindless. I guess all that tar and oil aren't hazardous if the EPA tells you the crud is "wetlands"

Sorry but it's often hard to understand WTF you're talking about.

 

[ColinEssex]

Sorry but it's often hard to understand WTF you're talking about.

We all have that problem. Best to take most of it with a pinch of salt.
Col

 

[Thales750]

Irony is also lost on you. Must be a Democrat trait, along with not having a sense of humor.

Independent, not Democrat. The irony was not lost on me, that is actually what I meant by the statement that inspired Doc's response.
Although, until Trump Disappears, anyone that can fog a mirror would be an improvement.