Gun laws do they work

[ConnorGiles]

You make it sound like it doesn't happen elsewhere, I'm from Liverpool and we are still trying to get justice over Hillsborough and it's cover up.

Brian

We have this a hell of a lot less then they do Brian. Virtually non-existent in comparison. Gun crimes are rare since guns are very rarely obtained for random acts of violence.

As I've said in a previous post. A guy got shot at 3 minutes away from my house. It happens, Just rarely.

Haven't heard of that one Brian, will have to read up on it. Must have been living under a rock

 

[Vassago]

This is all why I am in the position that all officers should wear body cams. If you are a good police officer, why wouldn't you??? It can save you this kind of heartache and trouble. It can save you from false accusations and especially when the dash cam "malfunctions." There's absolutely no valid reason I can think of why an on duty police officer in uniform shouldn't have to wear one.

That being said, RECORD THE POLICE! If you see police officers in active duty working as a police officer, such as with lights on, pulling someone over, etc... pull out your camera and record it, but stay far enough away as to not be in the way. You never know if the information you capture can be useful for EVERYONE involved, including the officer. I encourage it as your duty to do so, not just your right. If you are ever pulled over or stopped personally, ABSOLUTELY turn on a camera. Know your rights.

 

[ConnorGiles]

Hope you had a good Thanksgiving Connor. I have no problems with what you said. "ASKING someone to be more careful......" However, that was not what was said. If you are going to have penalties for something someone does via a bad decision then you have to create a law that will do that. If this is the case, then it is like surrounding the problem (guns) in an ever tightening the noose.

Why can you not accept that these people made a very bad decision and paid for it dearly. It had nothing to do with anyone else except that family.

If a someone started a fire in the back yard on a very windy day which by all accounts is also a very bad decision. Now, lets say this fire catches his house on fire and his older mother /father is in the house and they die in it. Are we going to put him in jail. What if he died trying to save them? Are we going to make a law prohibiting any burning around a house when already in most cases there is ban on burning unless you have a permit. Now what if he had the burn permit and made the bad decision???????

Bad decisions by law abiding people that result in the death of other people every day. another example: Here not two days ago in this county where I live, a construction worker picked up a brick and placed it on the wall (just set it there without mortar) while he did something else. Now it just happens that the area below where he placed the brick was a door way. You already guess it.....????? Yes, someone come through the door about the time the construction worker turned or did something that made the brick fall. Yes, the fella coming out of the door way at that moment was hit in the head. no, he did not have a hard hat on so it crushed his skull. No he is not dead yet but in very bad shape.

Now the question is; Do we need to place a law(s) in place to prevent someone from laying a brick on a wall (anywall) without it being somehow tied down? Do we make a law that forces everyone to wear a hard hat within so many feet of construction. Be careful here, your next door neighbor may be building an addition on his house and it may just be with the distance required by the law thus you the neighbor have to wear a hard hat.

How about the fact that we need to do something to the fella who put the brick on the wall. Fine him or imprison him??? What about the person who owned the house or Wall??????? And I could go on and on.

My point being is that you people who have a specific fetish, and you know who you are, pick up a horrific story and try to apply it to your lifelong agenda (s). I guess that is why we have so many silly laws still on the books. Put there by apoplectic people that had an agenda (s) as well.

Hope every one had a good Thanksgiving

Hope you had a lovely thanks giving too Bladerunner ! we don't celebrate it over here

You seem to be relating this incident to other things again Blade, This is about gun control.

Control being the key word here, not Ban.

People being careless with Guns is what causes many deaths each year.

As said before, Its not how many times it has happened. its that it DOES happen.

 

[Vassago]

We have this a hell of a lot less then they do Brian. Virtually non-existent in comparison. Gun crimes are rare since guns are very rarely obtained for random acts of violence.

As I've said in a previous post. A guy got shot at 3 minutes away from my house. It happens, Just rarely.

Haven't heard of that one Brian, will have to read up on it. Must have been living under a rock

Gun crimes are rare, but random crimes like car-jackings and robbery happen at a much higher rate over there (per capita, obviously, we have a lot more people and a lot more land ) when compared to here. You take and you give.

 

[Bladerunner]

I would like to say one thing to Mr. Frothingslosh. You are really good You know how to whip people up in a frenzy against the policeman that shot Mr. Brown in Fergusen, MO. What you don't tell them is that the Evidence is out there for all to see.

You do know it takes 1 sec. for a person, intent on harming you, to reach you from 20 feet away. That is not much time to make a decision. FYI: The shot in the head was the last shot and the shot in the hand was the first shot. All the other shots did not keep him from charging. Had he stopped and put his hands up he would still be alive. The officer would not continued shooting him.

Look what happens when people with the same attitude as Mr Frothingslosh, have. Rem, In a democracy "Mob Mentality Rules" and in this case accordingly we have police brutality. Good Job Mr. Frothingslosh.

 

[ConnorGiles]

This is all why I am in the position that all officers should wear body cams. If you are a good police officer, why wouldn't you??? It can save you this kind of heartache and trouble. It can save you from false accusations and especially when the dash cam "malfunctions." There's absolutely no valid reason I can think of why an on duty police officer in uniform shouldn't have to wear one.

That being said, RECORD THE POLICE! If you see police officers in active duty working as a police officer, such as with lights on, pulling someone over, etc... pull out your camera and record it, but stay far enough away as to not be in the way. You never know if the information you capture can be useful for EVERYONE involved, including the officer. I encourage it as your duty to do so, not just your right. If you are ever pulled over or stopped personally, ABSOLUTELY turn on a camera. Know your rights.

I agree Vassago!

This is indeed a very good idea.

I have seen this put to use beforehand and it has helped incredibly.

 

[ConnorGiles]

I would like to say one thing to Mr. Frothingslosh. You are really good You know how to whip people up in a frenzy against the policeman that shot Mr. Brown in Fergusen, MO. What you don't tell them is that the Evidence is out there for all to see.

You do know it takes 1 sec. for a person, intent on harming you, to reach you from 20 feet away. That is not much time to make a decision. FYI: The shot in the head was the last shot and the shot in the hand was the first shot. All the other shots did not keep him from charging. Had he stopped and put his hands up he would still be alive. The officer would not continued shooting him.

Look what happens when people with the same attitude as Mr Frothingslosh, have. Rem, In a democracy "Mob Mentality Rules" and in this case accordingly we have police brutality. Good Job Mr. Frothingslosh.

I think it is unfair to blame Frothingslosh for people having an opinion Bladerunner.

Unless this incident was captured on film, no one but the police officer and the victim will know what REALLY happened. Evidence can only paint a picture.

His friend who saw the whole story "apparently" has a very different story to the one you gave.

And he was there! (Apparently of course)

Don't take it as me being against the police officer here Bladerunner, As I've said before.

I like to see both sides of the story before making a firm opinion.

 

[Bladerunner]

We have this a hell of a lot less then they do Brian. Virtually non-existent in comparison. Gun crimes are rare since guns are very rarely obtained for random acts of violence.

As I've said in a previous post. A guy got shot at 3 minutes away from my house. It happens, Just rarely.

Haven't heard of that one Brian, will have to read up on it. Must have been living under a rock

Mr. Connor: within my neighbor hood and county here in TN. Shootings are rare. How-ever we (everyone) are in an increasing violent atmosphere here on earth and as the bad guys grow in numbers and nothing is done to stop them, well the shootings of innocents will increase.

 

[Brianwarnock]

We have this a hell of a lot less then they do Brian. Virtually non-existent in comparison. Gun crimes are rare since guns are very rarely obtained for random acts of violence.

As I've said in a previous post. A guy got shot at 3 minutes away from my house. It happens, Just rarely.

Haven't heard of that one Brian, will have to read up on it. Must have been living under a rock

I was addressing the "fishy" issue not gun crime,I.e. Cover ups and whitewashes.
Hillsborough is the name of Sheffield United's stadium where 96 football fans died, the establishment blamed the fans instead of their own incompetence, many police officers changed their reports after they had been seen by senior officers, the review has been reopened after 25 years of campaigning and is ongoing.

Brian

 

[ConnorGiles]

Gun crimes are rare, but random crimes like car-jackings and robbery happen at a much higher rate over there (per capita, obviously, we have a lot more people and a lot more land ) when compared to here. You take and you give.

Indeed, I have proclaimed that in previous posts about us being a lot smaller. Yes crimes like that will always happen, But usually without fatality. Get a gun involved this usually sky rockets

 

[ConnorGiles]

I was addressing the "fishy" issue not gun crime,I.e. Cover ups and whitewashes.
Hillsborough is the name of Sheffield United's stadium where 96 football fans died, the establishment blamed the fans instead of their own incompetence, many police officers changed their reports after they had been seen by senior officers, the review has been reopened after 25 years of campaigning and is ongoing.

Brian

Ahh, Will have to research that further.

Thanks for the heads up.

There is always something happening behind closed doors. We will never know everything (Ever).

 

[Bladerunner]

This is all why I am in the position that all officers should wear body cams. If you are a good police officer, why wouldn't you??? It can save you this kind of heartache and trouble. It can save you from false accusations and especially when the dash cam "malfunctions." There's absolutely no valid reason I can think of why an on duty police officer in uniform shouldn't have to wear one.

That being said, RECORD THE POLICE! If you see police officers in active duty working as a police officer, such as with lights on, pulling someone over, etc... pull out your camera and record it, but stay far enough away as to not be in the way. You never know if the information you capture can be useful for EVERYONE involved, including the officer. I encourage it as your duty to do so, not just your right. If you are ever pulled over or stopped personally, ABSOLUTELY turn on a camera. Know your rights.

Hey, Vassago, you and I think alike here. The biggest problem is the cost involved. The body cams are expensive and that tends to raise taxes. The other problem would be the law supporting the body cams. They in all likelihood would force all police forces to have them (big government). This will come out of the pockets of local economy, thereby effecting that economy in a negative way that breeds more unrest. When you have unrest, no body that agrees with the policemen or gov. is right and that is bad.

 

[ConnorGiles]

Mr. Connor: within my neighbor hood and county here in TN. Shootings are rare. How-ever we (everyone) are in an increasing violent atmosphere here on earth and as the bad guys grow in numbers and nothing is done to stop them, well the shootings of innocents will increase.

I'm still to learn your name Bladerunner.

But anyways, This does not address Gun control.

What we are saying is accidental deaths could be dramatically reduced if people would just stop and think to secure their fire arms or make sure it isn't left loaded.

Shooting of innocents happens on the daily, That isn't gun control - That is crimes committed with guns.

 

[Frothingslosh]

This is all why I am in the position that all officers should wear body cams. If you are a good police officer, why wouldn't you??? It can save you this kind of heartache and trouble. It can save you from false accusations and especially when the dash cam "malfunctions." There's absolutely no valid reason I can think of why an on duty police officer in uniform shouldn't have to wear one.

That being said, RECORD THE POLICE! If you see police officers in active duty working as a police officer, such as with lights on, pulling someone over, etc... pull out your camera and record it, but stay far enough away as to not be in the way. You never know if the information you capture can be useful for EVERYONE involved, including the officer. I encourage it as your duty to do so, not just your right. If you are ever pulled over or stopped personally, ABSOLUTELY turn on a camera. Know your rights.

I would have to agree with both of these, with a caveat. Do NOT get in the officer's face with the camera, even if you're the one being stopped. Filming them is, unfortunately, an escalation, if only a small one, and too many times one side or the other starts going nuts because of the filming.

Also, remember that many patrol cars have a dashboard camera that is always recording.

Always funny to see (via Connor's quote) Blade losing his mind along with his grip on reality.

 

[Brianwarnock]

Body cameras are used by police in the UK one link

http://www.hampshire.police.uk/internet/advice-and-information/general/body-worn-video

Brian

 

[Vassago]

Hey, Vassago, you and I think alike here. The biggest problem is the cost involved. The body cams are expensive and that tends to raise taxes. The other problem would be the law supporting the body cams. They in all likelihood would force all police forces to have them (big government). This will come out of the pockets of local economy, thereby effecting that economy in a negative way that breeds more unrest. When you have unrest, no body that agrees with the policemen or gov. is right and that is bad.

It's nothing compared to the cost of litigation that arises because of lawsuits and false trials, even if the city wins, etc... They really are not that expensive, have you looked it up? I don't buy this as an accurate excuse to not impliment them.

The cheapest I've seen is under $100 a piece. Hardly much of a cost for a police department to fork up.

 

[Vassago]

And for 300, you can get nice ones!

http://www.galls.com/pro-vision-bodycam-hd-video-camera

 

[Vassago]

And for 300, you can get nice ones!

http://www.galls.com/pro-vision-bodycam-hd-video-camera

 

[Vassago]

I would have to agree with both of these, with a caveat. Do NOT get in the officer's face with the camera, even if you're the one being stopped. Filming them is, unfortunately, an escalation, if only a small one, and too many times one side or the other starts going nuts because of the filming.

Getting in an officer's face is obviously ALWAYS a bad idea. Be respectful and calm, and definitely get video of the officer, just not in their face. They may get agitated, as they can for any reason, but they can't do anything about it (legally) as it's completely legal to do so. It's been upheld countless times that as an officer acting as a public servant, they have no expectation of privacy so can't even use that as an excuse, which clears up any permission for audio recording issues that arise.

You'll find that many officers respect and appreciate someone who knows and stands up for their rights, even if only on camera.

 

[Bladerunner]

Hope you had a lovely thanks giving too Bladerunner ! we don't celebrate it over here

You seem to be relating this incident to other things again Blade, This is about gun control.

Control being the key word here, not Ban.

People being careless with Guns is what causes many deaths each year.

As said before, Its not how many times it has happened. its that it DOES happen.

OK, let's say you are in power to effect changes needed for gun control. What would you do?