Hard to Believe

Joe8915 said:
Sben, don't get me started on that guy. He was a basket case.
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One of your best recent presidents. Unlike the current incumbent who is a religious warmongering killer who should have been impeached years ago.

Col
 
We need a president who is going to be financially responsible..... this means cutting the deficit, government pork, and maybe helping the rest of the world less. I'm more of a Laissez' Faire' type person, though...... I think the Bakken (North Dakota) oil field is going to be a huge boost in reducing our oil dependancy (Each barrel of Bakken oil will cost us $16).

Don't get me wrong, Bush kinda screwed us..... Well congress and Bush.....
 
ColinEssex said:
The sky is not blue at night.

Col
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Actually the sky isn't blue at all..... it's mostly transparent..... the blue color you see is the blue light spectrum reflecting off particles in the air. :p
 
MSAccessRookie said:
Rich,

I dont know about you, but this sounded like a challenge to me. I had no reason to comment after I verified the first group of comments to be based on facts. You on the other hand still have nothing to say
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I've already posted facts based on an old scrap of paper you guys rely on, I'm still waiting for it to be disproven before we move on to the next, I don't want to overtax you on it, I know how difficult it will be for you
 
Rich said:
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Is a big believer in the separation of church and state.

That's in your constitution, isn't it,
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Dang, all those American History and Civics classes I had didn't mention that it says any thing like that in the Constitution.

Can you tell me where it says that?
 
Amendment 1 states, congress shall make no laws recognizing a religion, nor can they prohibit free exercise of religion.

So, if a law-maker wants to proclaim his love for God, he is fully entitled to do so; however, he cannot enact a law saying that the U.S. Govt believes in a certain religion, nor can he pass a law to condemn a certain religion.

So, to believe in separation of church and state is to believe in removing religious expression in any government entity, which, of course, is unconstitutional.
 
sbenj69 said:
We need a president who is going to be financially responsible..... this means cutting the deficit, government pork, and maybe helping the rest of the world less. I'm more of a Laissez' Faire' type person, though...... I think the Bakken (North Dakota) oil field is going to be a huge boost in reducing our oil dependancy (Each barrel of Bakken oil will cost us $16).

Don't get me wrong, Bush kinda screwed us..... Well congress and Bush.....
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The word came out today, the deficit on the US budget will be over $400 Billion.
This is the money being spent on the Iraq war.
Guess who CUT taxes with a deficit like this - George W
Guess who will NOT be president when it's time to pay it back - George W

Any candidate who tells you that taxes are not going up is either a liar or he's using an American built computer.
Your North Dakota oil will be $100 / barrel by the time it hits the pump with the taxes on it.
 
heh, have taxes ever went down? I mean, really go down? I mean, if I cut income tax, but raise taxes on other things, is it really a tax cut? Our government is out of control, from the city level on up..... It's huge, and everybody thinks that the government should take care of us...... Heh, it all started with social security, as we were unable to save the money ourselves for retirement, now look at that mess. Now people want the government to handle healthcare?

Heh, could you imagine our forefathers being alive today? It's pretty sad when 6.5 months of your pay is used by government. Slowly, but surely, we are heading toward socialism, but worse than that, we are dangerously close to capitalism failing, or rather, resetting itself. I've watched for years while the government messed around with interest rates to stave off inflation. Sooner or later, the transition of our workforce from goods producers to service industry is going to have the bottom fall out.

It doesn't matter who gets elected, they're basically going to be the next Jimmy Carter. Double digit inflation, fuel shortages, and a huge recession. We don't need any extra government spending (for military or social programs) we need to get rid of a lot government programs.
 
Rich said:
.....and a lot more
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So, can you tell us where it says in our constitution "separation of church and state?"

I'll save you time...it's not, so your whatever you were trying to prove is not valid if that's the only point you had to make.

Many people in the US don't believe in "separation of church and state" because, as pointed out earlier, that's not what the constitution said or meant. The phrase was coined later to inaccurately describe the concept. Only people who haven't read it believe that it says it.
 
georgedwilkinson said:
So, can you tell us where it says in our constitution "separation of church and state?"

I'll save you time...it's not, so your whatever you were trying to prove is not valid if that's the only point you had to make.

Many people in the US don't believe in "separation of church and state" because, as pointed out earlier, that's not what the constitution said or meant. The phrase was coined later to inaccurately describe the concept. Only people who haven't read it believe that it says it.
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Does your own supreme court agree with your opinion?
 
Rich said:
Wow, how evil of him, just use the Bush philosophy eh, bomb the bastar*#s:rolleyes:
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Have to agree with Rich on this one. Any push for diplomacy in this direction will be an improvement on the current attempts.
 
I think this is a split down the middle. Some would like to talk and talk and talk, and other the other hand deal with it right away. As some would say cut the head off of the snake. I know that is blunt. You can argue this until you are red in the face and it comes down to your own thoughts.
 
and for once I agree with Rich ...lol

as to the Patriot act .. this was pushed through at a time when your elected senetors should of stopped to actual read the bloody thing.. if thy had read it i am sure they would of kicked it into touch - or amended it (big time)

this isn't only a failing stateside - similar problems here with our terrorism act and its misuse..


come the revolution ....
 
The patriot act was just another example of government being able to disregard your rights in the name of national security.

Personally, I know of not one person who died in a terrorist attack..... it's just like these school/work/church shootings...... I know of not one person who was shot at work/school/or church. What we have is the media working hand in hand with the government to incite fear, and therefore allow more and more freedoms to be extinguished, and more tax dollars to be spent.

I'm not opposed to a conference with all Muslim nations, but if you think that's going to solve anything, I'll take some of what you're smoking. The nations that support terrorism against us, do so because.... 1. our support for Israel, and 2. our meddling in the middle east. They don't want us to negotiate, they want us to DIE.
 
Rich said:
Does your own supreme court agree with your opinion?
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I haven't polled the members lately. Last time I called, Thomas was playing golf, Suter was in the Hamptons, and Ginsburg was at the salon.

My guess is the individual justices have different opinions. I'm pretty sure none of them thinks the constitution has the words "separation of church and state", which was what you said was in there...it is not.

Now if you want to argue whether the opinion of people that the term "separation of church and state" does not reflect the opinion of the writers of the first amendment, that is a different discussion. You said that was in our constitution and I'm simply saying "no, it's not."

Additionally I am saying that there are many people in the United States (remember, the phrase "of the people, by the people, for the people") who do not believe in anything like "separation of church and state." These are the people who would be put off by a presidential candidate supporting the concept of "separation of church and state." Oh, and they are US voters.

Remember too that the post is a marketing piece. Not sure who the author is but it's not the kind of thing I would "FORWARD TO EVERYONE ON (my) MAILING LIST".

Hope that clears it up for you. Now, you had a problem with what the OP said? Do you have a valid point of contention?
 
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