I never have understood this...

[Rich]

I think it does, but you would argue or belittle the answer.

Why shouldn't I argue?

 

[ShaneMan]

Not a very constructive answer, is it?

Probably not, but I guess I answered the same constructiveness as the question.

 

[ShaneMan]

Why shouldn't I argue?

What gets accomplished when you do? Do you argue to see what answer someone gives, even when you don't agree with them or do you argue to prove your right or show your intellect?

 

[Rich]

Probably not, but I guess I answered the same constructiveness as the question.

I asked a perfectly valid question, you side stepped the answer, oddly enough with sarcasm

 

[Rich]

What gets accomplished when you do? Do you argue to see what answer someone gives, even when you don't agree with them or do you argue to prove your right or show your intellect?

I argue and question because I'm one step above a sheep, is that wrong?

 

[ShaneMan]

I argue and question because I'm one step above a sheep, is that wrong?

Don't know for sure how to answer this one but if your serious, then I would have say I don't agree. I can tell by your question/statements that your very intelligent. That's a lot of the reason why I stay away from answering you. Your good and my Dad taught me not to play the other man's game.

 

[ShaneMan]

I asked a perfectly valid question, you side stepped the answer, oddly enough with sarcasm

Well first, I didn't know you were asking a valid question. I thought it was a question making a statement. Second, I wasn't being sarcastic. I was being truthful. I read post here everyday and my take on you is you do pull people's pigtails just to get a reaction out of them. A lot of the time I'm wondering if the questions/statements you make, you even believe. I think you do a fair amount of devils advocate.

 

[Kraj]

I would love there to be a god or something. ... I went to various churches for ages to try to find this god - all I found was hypocritical, two faced people who looked down on me as if I was something they stood in.

If I may be so bold... it doesn't sound to me like you were looking for God, it sounds like you were looking for religion. Religion is often a positive force in people's lives but not always and it's not for everyone. Personally, I feel a closer experience with God while talking a walk more than I ever did sitting in a church. Maybe you just went looking in the wrong place.

I see, so Christ supports the death penalty?

Yep. In fact he counted on it.

I argue and question because I'm one step above a sheep

Yeah, but just a tiny step.

No-one can as of yet prove a god or a christ exists either. Its all make believe and brainwashing

Just for grins I'd like to pose a hypothetical philosophical question. Does God exist if you believe he does? Or, to put it another way, if you attribute events in your life as an act of God that otherwise have no provable explanation, then does God exist for you in your own life?

 

[Rich]

Well first, I didn't know you were asking a valid question. I thought it was a question making a statement. Second, I wasn't being sarcastic. I was being truthful. I read post here everyday and my take on you is you do pull people's pigtails just to get a reaction out of them. A lot of the time I'm wondering if the questions/statements you make, you even believe. I think you do a fair amount of devils advocate.

So in seeking answers I'm really just the devils advocate?

 

[Rich]

Yeah, but just a tiny step.

That's one small step for man. one giant leap for mankind

 

[dan-cat]

Does God exist if you believe he does?

No.

a) An atheist believes in a finite existence. An infinite being can not spring from a finite one.

b) A theist believes in an objective infinite being. This precludes any causality, let alone one from a human mind.

 

[ShaneMan]

So in seeking answers I'm really just the devils advocate?

Is that what I really said? No! What I did say is that I don't believe "seeking answers" is what your looking for. I think your way smarter than that. I think what you do, like what your attempting on me now, is to see if you can get a reaction from someone. If it's not straight forward enough for ya. I'm giving you a compliment but at the same time doubting that your motives in asking a question are to just get an answer. That's all.

 

[Rich]

Is that what I really said? No! What I did say is that I don't believe "seeking answers" is what your looking for. I think your way smarter than that. I think what you do, like what your attempting on me now, is to see if you can get a reaction from someone. If it's not straight forward enough for ya. I'm giving you a compliment but at the same time doubting that your motives in asking a question are to just get an answer. That's all.

I enjoy discussion, with a little light hearted banter thrown in, is that so bad?

 

[ShaneMan]

I enjoy discussion, with a little light hearted banter thrown in, is that so bad?

Naw, not really. Especially if someone knows that's the angle your coming from. I'm going to have to boogie now. Going to Oklahoma to visit my Dad so I better get on the road before rush hour traffic gets bad. Enjoyed the heck out of it and look forward to the next time our paths cross. Have a good weekend and I'll catch ya later.

ShaneMan

 

[Rich]

have a safe journey

 

[ShaneMan]

Just for grins I'd like to pose a hypothetical philosophical question. Does God exist if you believe he does? Or, to put it another way, if you attribute events in your life as an act of God that otherwise have no provable explanation, then does God exist for you in your own life?

Hey Greg,

I'll take a jump at it. Get it good an stirred up and then get on the road. Guess I'll have to see replies later, when I get to my Dad's house.

I believe God does not need mine or anyone else's belief in Him to exist. He existed from eternity past, content in Himself, before He every created man.

Shane

 

[selenau837]

Welcome to the folds ShaneMan. Lookforward to many more days of banter and disagreement, or agreement. Depends on the topic.

 

[Kraj]

I'm not asking whether God's existence depends on a person's belief, I'm asking whether something unprovable can be true or false based on an individual's point of view, or is it always simply unprovable.

 

[ShaneMan]

Welcome to the folds ShaneMan. Lookforward to many more days of banter and disagreement, or agreement. Depends on the topic.

Thank you Selena. Hopefully many more agreements than disagreements.

 

[ShaneMan]

I'm not asking whether God's existence depends on a person's belief, I'm asking whether something unprovable can be true or false based on an individual's point of view, or is it always simply unprovable.

I'm not near as smart as quite a few of you here, so if I'm following the question correctly then I would have to say, it probably has to fall in the category of simply unprovable. Earlier where I said people find what they are looking for, I think applies pretty good to this question. I personally believe in this God that Colin states he doesn't believe exists so at that point, I think it becomes simply unprovable. I hope I came closer to answering the question in the direction you intended.