Pay your bills

[Isaac]

But yeah I have no idea why everybody's losing their shit about the comments that Trump made. He was making a point and I completely and totally agree with it and I think many other people do as well

 

[Jon]

If a police officer gets a speeding ticket at some stage during his life, but is then put on traffic duty, it does not mean he can no longer give someone else a speeding ticket. His prior ticket is pretty much irrelevant. He is there to enforce the law, just like Trump is there to collect the gym fees.

 

[Thales750]

Calling Joe Biden a good and competent president is a long con of its own special type.

Having said that, I'm not entirely happy with Trump either. I originally supported him and STILL don't think he's the devil. But this country needs a wake-up call that the Democratic Party is NOT your friend - it is your exploiter. To them, you are a cash cow and a tethered vote.

Part of me fears another Trump turn in office, part of me thinks that another Biden term in office is worse. Caught between Scylla and Charibdis, the original source of the phrase "a rock and a hard place."

I usually avoid these conversation all together. Devil, or not, all he does is spew ugly, and build contempt across the aisle.
Even this thing on the border, in my state (Texas) serves no purpose but to aid Trump in his reelection campaign. There is no existential treat here. There is only divisive politics. You can see how emotional people are about all this.

Emotion disguised as reason.

 

[Thales750]

I have looked at the evidence.

You have looked at the carefully prepared Trump propaganda.

If you can't see that the lack of offering a reward as evidence of a coverup, then you will only see what want to see.

 

[Steve R.]

There is only divisive politics

Biden is a master at spewing offensive divisive politics. To paraphrase what Biden said to a Black man, "if you don't vote for me you aren't Black enough." Biden has made racism (DEI) federal policy. This directly reverse King's quest that decisions be made on the content of one's character and not the color of one's skin. It also negates the very concept that this country should be a meritocracy.

 

[Thales750]

Biden is a master at spewing offensive divisive politics. To paraphrase what Biden said to a Black man, "if you don't vote for me you aren't Black enough." Biden has made racism (DEI) federal policy. This directly reverse King's quest that decisions be made on the content of one's character and not the color of one's skin. It also negates the very concept that this country should be a meritocracy.

Why are you bringing up Biden?
Using the argument that the other guys is just as bad really doesn't do much to rectify the problem. But if you were going to make a legidiment case you would have to do an AI search on public speeches. I think it's pretty obvious that Trump would have at least 2 orders of magnitude more lies and divisive statements than Biden.

Comparing is ridiculous in any case. This is my interpretation of your rebuttal. Your only defense for Trump is to try to prove someone else is worse. Think about that.

 

[Jon]

I think context matters. If you have a DOJ that prosecutes one side of the political aisle but not the other, then it gives the impression of unequal application of the law. And in particular, when the Democrats have a strategy to prevent Trump from winning a second term by endless lawsuits, the wider picture is very much relevant. In this particular case, going after one candidate with the law whilst turning a blind eye to the other (and you an include Hillary Clinton in that), means that it is a political persecution, rather than just enforcing the law.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

There is no existential treat here.

Actually, there is. If we don't control the border, we have essentially destroyed our economy by bringing in people who don't contribute to the tax base that provides / pays for support services. We have allowed a conduit for drug money which siphons off to the cartels in other countries. We have allowed unknown numbers of terrorists to enter unchecked. YES there is an existential threat.

 

[AccessBlaster]

The existential threat is liberal ideology. Just look at what it's done to New York, San Francisco etc. Once great cities reduced to open air prisons for the mentally ill.

 

[Thales750]

And you will never look at the evidence that has already been collected. You choose to ignore it because if someone reported an irregularity, you assume they are a Trump supporter and therefore they are lying. That means that you would accept no evidence. Do you actually think a Biden supporter would report any irregularity he found that helped his candidate? So, keep your mind closed and unpolluted by the evidence that already exists.

That's because it made up Pat. Like flat earthers, and contrail conspiracies. Trump took his lessens from Goebbels and Hitler. Tell big lies and tell them often, never stop telling the lies, and people will believe you.
Then later, when they start to doubt the validity of these lies they are too embarrassed to admit the lies for looking foolish.

Actually, there is. If we don't control the border, we have essentially destroyed our economy by bringing in people who don't contribute to the tax base that provides / pays for support services. We have allowed a conduit for drug money which siphons off to the cartels in other countries. We have allowed unknown numbers of terrorists to enter unchecked. YES there is an existential threat.

Come on Doc. existential?
This border thing could be fixed in a single afternoon. It only exist, in this moment, to get Trump elected.

I've been in the construction business for the last 35 years. We need those workers here, working. But our politicians need division. So they continue to switch sides back and forth.

Going all the way back to Ragan. You listen to his speeches now and he sounds like a Liberal. You listen to old speeches from previous and even current Dems they sound like a bunch hard line conservatives. Give me a break. The border is more of the same old divide and conquer. The conquerors are the same people they have always been. We now refer to them as the Financial Sector, in olden days they were the Crown, the Emperor, etc.

You're next argument is going to be they are welcome as long as they as they are here legally. Go ahead use that argument.

 

[Isaac]

Your only defense for Trump is to try to prove someone else is worse

But that's exactly what elections are?

 

[Isaac]

In other news, Trump is so stupid some days

Biden, Trump continue to stack up delegates in primaries and caucuses

The 2024 Republican primary is in full swing, as former President Donald Trump continues to hold a commanding lead over former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Thales750]

But that's exactly what elections are?

They shouldn't be.
And, sorry for the "your" typo. lol

 

[Isaac]

They shouldn't be.
And, sorry for the "your" typo. lol

I agree. We need better people
Some of the things Trump says are dumber than a bag of hammers

 

[Isaac]

Think of that for a second. A bag of hammers!

 

[Thales750]

In other news, Trump is so stupid some days

Biden, Trump continue to stack up delegates in primaries and caucuses

The 2024 Republican primary is in full swing, as former President Donald Trump continues to hold a commanding lead over former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley.

www.foxnews.com

I saw some other ones like that. there is no doubt that Trump is the biggest enemy facing Republicans this year. Trump Conservatives on the street have destroyed Christianity, and now they are going after Republicans.

Many folks will vote for a drooling, incoherent, Biden if that is the only alternative to Trump.

 

[Steve R.]

Trump says he will encourage putin to invade Nato countries that "Don't Pay their Bills". This froma a man that has cheated and stiffed more peoople than you can count. He stiffs lawyers then asks for his followers to send him money for the fees he does not pay. Grift.

Your comment, to be polite, totally misinterprets what Trump said in a negative manner. The members of NATO need to pay their "fair share" for their defense. Biden perpetually whines that the rich need to pay their "fair share" of taxes (while his family does not). Shouldn't that be true for the members of NATO?

Why are you bringing up Biden?
Using the argument that the other guys is just as bad really doesn't do much to rectify the problem. But if you were going to make a legidiment case you would have to do an AI search on public speeches. I think it's pretty obvious that Trump would have at least 2 orders of magnitude more lies and divisive statements than Biden.

Comparing is ridiculous in any case. This is my interpretation of your rebuttal. Your only defense for Trump is to try to prove someone else is worse. Think about that.

You don't get to solely define the parameters of an argument. Based on your restrictive premise and logic the theme of this thread would be limited to only deliberating on the evils of Trump. Which would only reinforce your flawed premise. Biden is a greater grifter and liar than Trump (assuming that Trump has those negative characteristics). Even more nefarious, Biden is using the power to the state to persecute Trump and his associates.

 

[AccessBlaster]

Your comment, to be polite, totally misinterprets what Trump said in a negative manner. The members of NATO need to pay their "fair share" for their defense. Biden perpetually whines that the rich need to pay their "fair share" of taxes (while his family does not). Shouldn't that be true for the members of NATO?

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Come on Doc. existential?

YES, existential. And YES, they are welcome if they come in legally and make themselves subject to our laws - including our tax laws and our immigration quota laws. So yes, I WILL use that argument, and I'm truly sorry if you don't understand it.

 

[Steve R.]

Trump took his lessens from Goebbels and Hitler. Tell big lies and tell them often, never stop telling the lies, and people will believe you.

@Pat Hartman responded.

I'm sure you still believe the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax. The fact that both Hilary Clinton personally and her election campaign were fined over $100,000 for starting the hoax with the bogus Steele dossier can't possibly be true. And yet it is. Google and FB and Twitter, etc. NEVER filter your feeds. They don't suppress people they disagree with which keeps you from seeing actual facts.

The Russia hoax continues to be incrementally disproved as time progresses. It also increasingly identifies that Trump and his associates were targeted by the US government, then under the control of Obama. Based on this increasing evidence, Obama was the Manchurian Candidate and the 2020 election was rigged (election interference misinformation used to denigrate Trump). Biden is carrying these destructive policies forward. Biden and his cohorts are using the power-of-the-state unlawfully to persecute Trump and his associates to remove them from the 2024 presidential election process.

It's unfortunate that much the news media refused to investigate the origin so this story. Just like they failed to investigate the Hunter Biden laptop story, which was not Russian disinformation. Biden has been lying.

Sources: Intel Agencies Told Foreigners To Spy On Trump's 2016 Campaign

Sources say the CIA 'illegally mobilized foreign intelligence agencies to target Trump advisors long before the summer of 2016.'

thefederalist.com

In “CIA Had Foreign Allies Spy on Trump Team, Triggering Russia Collusion Hoax, Sources Say,” journalists Michael Shellenberger, Matt Taibbi, and Alex Gutentag reported that top-line takeaway, along with several other key details. According to the authors, “multiple credible sources,” said that “the United States Intelligence Community (IC), including the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), illegally mobilized foreign intelligence agencies to target Trump advisors long before the summer of 2016.”

Sources also claimed, according to Tuesday’s article, that “President Barack Obama’s CIA Director, John Brennan, had identified 26 Trump associates for the Five Eyes to target.” According to the journalists, a source confirmed the IC had “identified [those associates] as people to ‘bump,’ or make contact with or manipulate,” and claimed the individuals were “targets of our own IC and law enforcement — targets for collection and misinformation.” (emphasis added)

Russia collusion hoax was initiated by the CIA: Michael Shellenberger | Fox News Video

Substack columnist Michael Shellenberger discusses his report on the alleged election interference on 'Jesse Watters Primetime.'

www.foxnews.com

So, That's a New Disturbing Development in the Russian Collusion Saga

Some might have speculated this was the case long before independent journalists covered it. Michael

townhall.com