Second Civil War in USA

Looks like another fb* recruiting organization to me. :D
 
Another great example is the proud boys. I see every liberal and their brother acting as if anyone who is associated with the proud boys is bad.
But I don't necessarily see this as the case.

Yes, there have been some instances of proud boys doing bad things. But there have been instances of EVERY organization doing bad things.
My goodness......if everyone had categorized BLM based on the worst things their members did, they literally wouldn't have lasted a week!
But everyone was especially hesitant to do that because of the word 'black'. There was that privilege of "give them the benefit of the doubt", because ostensibly, their motives were good (even though week after week after week many of their actions were terrible, and arrests were many).

Ok, so the proud boys are proud of american heritage, mostly comprised of white people (and hispanics BTW), they hate the current status of immigration, and they're militia-leaning.

How does that make everyone of the proud boys bad? To me they look like an organization with good goals, and truthful sentiments, which is bound to attract a 10% bad. Kind of like you, @moke123 , probably view BLM.

But I don't go around labeling every black person who is proud of blacks, black power, and black culture to be "black supremacists". (Even though I believe some are, but it's not a common response to the phenomenon).

We need to reduce the # of truthful things that are taboo to say, so we can all talk freely and admit the truths that are currently 'forbidden' to discuss. Ironically, this is what libs call an "uncomfortable conversation".
 
Lol. I don't have the gumption to explain this... Doc or Pat, this is one for either of you...
 
This is not a mansplane, this is a Britsplane.

The FBI agents have come along to the rally to inflame the situation with the goal of manufacturing instances that allow them to arrest patriots.

This tactic has a resemblance to similar tactics used in the January 6 United States Capitol attack .
 
Proud boys vs. Patriot Front


Who is Casey Knuteson, the Patriot Front member demasked by MAGA supporters in the viral video? – Opoyi

Patriot Front member Casey James Knuteson unmasked by MAGA supporters, sparking debates Concerns arise about Knuteson's affiliations with white nationalist propaganda and far-right leaders Speculation about federal agent involvement highlights the importance of investigation and responsible...
opoyi.com opoyi.com

Who is Ben Brody, the Patriot Front member demasked by MAGA supporters in the viral video? – Opoyi

A viral video depicts the unmasking of Ben Brody, a member of the Patriot Front, by MAGA supporters Controversy and conspiracy theories arise about Brody's identity and intentions Allegations of federal agent involvement lack concrete evidence
opoyi.com opoyi.com
 
Uncle Gizmo said:
Can anyone explain to me what's going on here, I'm completely in the dark!


https://twitter.com/x/status/1672981094902185986
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UG, it means that (whether or not the twitter video/event you posted actually is an example of this, I don't know and don't wish to spend any effort finding out particularly on this one), but it goes to the general ongoing major efforts by left-wingers to maintain and increase whatever momentum they had or thought they had (especially since George Floyd, who quite obviously changed the world with his awful and tragic death) with regards to promoting to the public, the idea that right-wing organizations and people are mostly racist "meanies" who hate [here insert anyone they think they can convince you of, although ironically, most of the items on this list can be pretty easily debunked by looking at actual facts, I can tell you more about this if interested in truth).

So for example, if the Proud Boys has a rally to encourage people to support American culture and American founding principles, and yes they may even dare suggest that European immigration not mass south american migration was what America was based on which is of course the Truth) ... you might have left-wingers show up to "infiltrate" the event and do something particularly reprehensible in everyone's eyes, in order to make people think for the cameras purpose, that the Proud Boys represents that behavior/idea/people.

In some cases they have been very open about it, (or very stupid and busted, I'm not sure which, but usually they are relatively smart, with the notable exception of Antifa, who are dumb as a bag of hammers), like this:

theintercept.com

Internal Emails Show How a Lincoln Project Tiki Torch Stunt Went Wrong

Democrats were accused of manufacturing a white supremacist hoax, but internal plans show the stunt was rooted in their doomed, Trump-focused strategy.
theintercept.com theintercept.com
 
"The Timeless and Universal Truths and Principles About Order and Disorder That Are Most Relevant Now.
I believe that it is true for all people in all collective activities (sport, organizations, governments, etc.) that if…

a) there is no acceptable way to agree on what is probably true (e.g., there is no equivalent of instant replay in a sport) and…
b) both sides don’t trust the referees/judges because they believe that they are under the influence of the other side, and …
c) rather than judgements being made and enforced according to the rule book, they are made and enforced by the opinions of people that make up an unruly crowd…

…chaos and chaotic fighting will follow."
Ray Dalio
 
Cronk said:
a) there is no acceptable way to agree on what is probably true (e.g., there is no equivalent of instant replay in a sport) and…
b) both sides don’t trust the referees/judges because they believe that they are under the influence of the other side, and …
c) rather than judgements being made and enforced according to the rule book, they are made and enforced by the opinions of people that make up an unruly crowd…
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I think that's a very fair, well stated summary of the overall situation when it comes to so-called Facts vs. so-called misinformation, etc. etc.
 
AccessBlaster said:
Sitting uncharged in isolation and denied basic rights might be just enough to get trespassers to confess to anything
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Exactly!

The underhanded manipulative way the authorities are dealing with people is astounding!

How anyone can support people that would do this sort of thing is beyond my comprehension....

YOU ARE NEXT!!!
 
You know the only thing that makes any real sense in all of this, what corruption? And not the normal everyday sort of corruption we all brushes against at one-time or another, but a fundamental corruption of trust and justice, the destruction of partisan democracy.

What makes sense?
It's got to be driven by outside agencies such as China and Russia, as a way to conquer the USA.

Even if it's not outside agencies, they are definitely going to take advantage of it in the near future, if not already!
 
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