The crime rate in New York

[Isaac]

 

[Pat Hartman]

Duh, there was never any evidence she committed a crime.

OK, so why did she and her campaign get fined over $100,000?????? Someone thought there was a crime and since it happened during the Biden administration, it must have been the Biden people.

 

[Pat Hartman]

Guilty of 34 Counts of Falsification of Business Records

Does it make you feel good? Enjoy it until the higher court overturns the conviction on any number of illegalities. Then you can step up to the blackboard and write it again until your hand falls off

 

[AccessBlaster]

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Maybe if he hadn't spent 50 years in congress ripping off the American people he could have helped his son.

 

[RogerCooper]

Cherry picking dates! One can also state that prior to 1608 there was probably no crime in New Amsterdam (prior to it being settled as an unincorporated settlement). So how about this, Bragg characterizes some felonies as misdemeanors and even refuses to prosecute some misdemeanors, but when it came to Trump he went the other way. That is hypocrisy.

Crime statistics are compiled by the police not the DA's office. There are many valid reasons that the DA may not charge an offense, the most obvious being that the police were unable to determined the perpetrator. Bragg's charging practices have no direct effect on crime statistics.

Also remember Manhattan is not New York City. It has only about 20% of the city's population. Manhattan's crime rate are historically lower than average for the city.

Murder (the most reliably measured crime) peaked at 2,245 in 1990. There were only 386 murders in 2023. So Trump's statement that crime in NYC is at a record high is demonstrably false. (Note the NYC's population has not changed significantly, so I am not adjusting for population).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_New_York_City#Murders_by_year

 

[Pat Hartman]

Please don't use wikipedia as a "reliable" source for anything. It has devolved into meaningless trash as facts are edited out and history is changed.

 

[RogerCooper]

Please don't use wikipedia as a "reliable" source for anything. It has devolved into meaningless trash as facts are edited out and history is changed.

Here is the latest Compstat report from the NYPD, https://www.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cs-en-us-city.pdf.

Are you claiming that the murder rate has not declined from the 1990 peak?

I have found numbers on the Wikipedia to be quite reliable, as sometimes I need to check their sources to get more information.

 

[Pat Hartman]

Are you claiming that the murder rate has not declined from the 1990 peak?

Murders are hard to hide when there is a body. So, that is probably the only count that is accurate. It is all the other "crimes". The looting for example that the criminals can get away with if the take is less than $900. That crime is no longer counted. The guy who pushes the old lady down the stairs. He is immediately released (assuming he is picked up at all), no bail no prosecution, ergo no crime. Just let him go unless he actually kills someone.

How about all the unregistered, stolen mopeds that are parked in front of the various illegal alien hotels? When a society allows the "little" crimes to go unpunished, the society is circling the drain on its way to oblivion.

 

[RogerCooper]

Other crimes are subject to a number of reporting biases. People are less likely to report crimes if they lack confidence in the police, especially if the crimes are minor.

As you stated, the murder statistics are fairly accurate. Therefore Trump's statement that crime in NYC is at a record high, is clearly false.

 

[Pat Hartman]

As you stated, the murder statistics are fairly accurate. Therefore Trump's statement that crime in NYC is at a record high, is clearly false.

Sooooooooooo. The ONLY crime is murder????? That is only ever a small portion of the crime and you say Trump is LYING because one small part of the overall crime picture is better? Whatever. It goes right along with Biden administration's position that the border is closed. Sure it is. It only allowed 20 MILLION + new voters to enter the country under his administration. All of which we seem to be required to support. I don't recall voting for that. Did you? We can't take care of our vets but we can give illegal aliens free lodging, etc plus a monthly stipend for walking around money.

Whatever you say.

 

[RogerCooper]

To quote Pat Hartmann, the murder rate is "is probably the only count that is accurate". Every other type of crime is also down from the 1990 peak. Do you have some evidence that crime in NY is at a record high? As a former New Yorker, Donald Trump is certainly aware of the big drop in crime since 1990. Trump's lie demeans the hard work by Giuliani, Bratton and the NYPD that played a major role in reducing crime.

 

[moke123]

To quote Pat Hartmann, the murder rate is "is probably the only count that is accurate". Every other type of crime is also down from the 1990 peak. Do you have some evidence that crime in NY is at a record high? As a former New Yorker, Donald Trump is certainly aware of the big drop in crime since 1990. Trump's lie demeans the hard work by Giuliani, Bratton and the NYPD that played a major role in reducing crime.

Now Rudy is on the wrong side of those crime statistics.

 

[Pat Hartman]

I don't live in NYC but I live close enough to visit. When we came home from Kuwait we ended up living in the western part of Connecticut. 45 minutes on an express train to Grand Central. We used to go fairly frequently on the weekends when the fare on Metro North was really cheap and parking at the local train station commuter lot was free on weekends. We'd just window shop or visit museums and galleries and eat street food. Think of it as a long walk on pavement rather than through the woods. Sometimes we'd pick up cheap theater tickets at the ticket kiosk in Times Square. This was in the late 70's and Koch was mayor and the city was filthy. After a year, we had done all the major museums again and I was tired of blowing my nose and seeing soot on the kleenex so we stopped going. Giuliani cleaned up the city a lot in the 90's so my husband and I started taking occasional trips to the theater again and visiting special exhibits at the museums. My last trip to Manhattan was in 2019 when an old friend and his wife came to town to visit their daughter and had an extra room in their suite at the St Regis. It was back to stinking and dirty. And now with all the illegal aliens and homeless people, I'm not interested in visiting again.

 

[AccessBlaster]

Maybe Trump was giving his opinion on crime in New York, or is that not allowed under the current regime?

 

[RogerCooper]

I don't live in NYC but I live close enough to visit. When we came home from Kuwait we ended up living in the western part of Connecticut. 45 minutes on an express train to Grand Central. We used to go fairly frequently on the weekends when the fare on Metro North was really cheap and parking at the local train station commuter lot was free on weekends. We'd just window shop or visit museums and galleries and eat street food. Think of it as a long walk on pavement rather than through the woods. Sometimes we'd pick up cheap theater tickets at the ticket kiosk in Times Square. This was in the late 70's and Koch was mayor and the city was filthy. After a year, we had done all the major museums again and I was tired of blowing my nose and seeing soot on the kleenex so we stopped going. Giuliani cleaned up the city a lot in the 90's so my husband and I started taking occasional trips to the theater again and visiting special exhibits at the museums. My last trip to Manhattan was in 2019 when an old friend and his wife came to town to visit their daughter and had an extra room in their suite at the St Regis. It was back to stinking and dirty. And now with all the illegal aliens and homeless people, I'm not interested in visiting again.

I was in the city last weekend, and I am not noticing any big problem with homeless people. I am not sure how you know who is an illegal alien, but I am sure that are just working their jobs as usual.

It is sad what happened with Giuliani. He was an effective mayor but after leaving office, he deteriorated. His desperation to be in the limelight again has resulted in series of criminal acts.

 

[Mike Krailo]

It is sad what happened with Giuliani. He was an effective mayor but after leaving office, he deteriorated. His desperation to be in the limelight again has resulted in series of criminal acts.

Like pointing out that the Hunter laptop was real in the midst of a massive attempt to cover it up by deepstate criminals and media? Slap the cuffs on him.

If you live in NY, best course of action is to get out of there fast. Same thing with Fulton county GA.

 

[moke123]

Other crimes are subject to a number of reporting biases. People are less likely to report crimes if they lack confidence in the police, especially if the crimes are minor.

Unfortunately a large portion of those unreported/underreported crimes are against immigrants or as Pat likes to call them "Illegals" They are easy prey as the criminals know they are not likely to report it.
We had a big problem a few years back where ICE was hanging out around our courthouses and arresting victims who showed up to testify against their attackers. The result was a lot of criminals going free. The other result was the immigrants then get a free pass as there's an exception to immigration laws where the victim immigrant gets protected status as a crime victim.

 

[moke123]

 

[Mike Krailo]

Those are some pretty big drinking fountains!

 

[AccessBlaster]

Fact checked true!