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Damn! I was just thinking of coming out as a transgender...
Trump decrees "There are only two Genders"
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Yes! One of my dad's friends had a daughter who I used to hang around with when I was 13 or 14... Years later I met up with her and I think she wanted to go on a date, but she was just too masculine for me! I'd never realised that was possible before!!! Mind you I grew up with TV infected with effeminate men, they seem to infiltrate the acting world!!!
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Isn't that the truth? I'm not sure why that is but it does seem to be the case.
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Trump is wrong on this - what he means is there are two sexes! There are, and always have been, 3 genders - masculine, feminine and neuter. The word gender refer s to a language construct which has been hijacked to give it a different meaning.
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The issue with the whole gender thing is that it always use to refer to male or female sex, but as @DickyP correctly points out, was hijacked. So you end up with the original definition and the hijacked definition, resulting in endless arguments over what gender actually means and how many there are. If the hijackers invented a new word instead of stealing an old one, then it would have avoided all this nonsense. However, the hijacking is a deliberate attempted to blur the lines over the male/female identity, to claim that men can be women and vice versa. Or one of the other 100+ options.
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There are three sexes and three genders. For sex (physical structures), you have male, female, and any one of several "intersex" situations (think "hermaphroditism") where BOTH structures are present to some degree. Granted, intersex is very low in probability - but it isn't zero.
For gender (as in how you identify), you have male, female, and any one of several "ambiguous" cases. Back in my high school days, that third case (bisexual) was often laughingly called "trisexual" - meaning "try anything once." Other jokes about bisexuality include "boosting the odds for a good date on Saturday night."
I have previously presented my case for the physiological reasons why it is possible to be of one gender but the opposite sex. I won't repeat them here. However, I will agree that there are only two genders (excluding the ambiguous case). A person will exhibit a preference for having either male or female companionship. Two choices.
As gender these days includes behavior, it is possible to be assigned a sex that doesn't match your preferred gender. I just underwent a minor medical diagnostic procedure where the hospital paperwork asked questions about both. They asked for my gender (intended as physical so they really meant sex) AND they asked "as what do you identify?" (clearly referring to possibilities of homosexuality).
BTW - awaiting official biopsy results on the diagnostic procedure but the doctor said that he didn't think we had to worry about what he found. Which means you aren't rid of me quite yet.
For gender (as in how you identify), you have male, female, and any one of several "ambiguous" cases. Back in my high school days, that third case (bisexual) was often laughingly called "trisexual" - meaning "try anything once." Other jokes about bisexuality include "boosting the odds for a good date on Saturday night."
I have previously presented my case for the physiological reasons why it is possible to be of one gender but the opposite sex. I won't repeat them here. However, I will agree that there are only two genders (excluding the ambiguous case). A person will exhibit a preference for having either male or female companionship. Two choices.
As gender these days includes behavior, it is possible to be assigned a sex that doesn't match your preferred gender. I just underwent a minor medical diagnostic procedure where the hospital paperwork asked questions about both. They asked for my gender (intended as physical so they really meant sex) AND they asked "as what do you identify?" (clearly referring to possibilities of homosexuality).
BTW - awaiting official biopsy results on the diagnostic procedure but the doctor said that he didn't think we had to worry about what he found. Which means you aren't rid of me quite yet.
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Or perhaps lesbianism, should you identify as a woman, and are in a relationship with another woman (who was previously a man).
And so very pleased that your results look - at least in the first instance - positive.
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Two genders and one statistical anomaly.
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I am reminded of a great song from days gone by, ...
The Lovin' Spoonful version is choosing one woman over another, but one could imagine a different take on it.
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Yes. I Agree. Becoming Trans is not a New Gender. It's a kind of Mental syndrome. Can be 100% curable before the genitals are removed.
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I have placed articles here and there regarding transgender types. Sometimes it is removal of the genitals that is the cure. "Trans" is not and never was a NEW gender. It was merely a misunderstanding of the person's actual gender. It is not a "mental" syndrome as much as it is a condition of birth in which a person's brain physically contains structures normally associated with the other gender than the one assigned at birth.
You can often view a person's brain via Positron Emission Tomography to see the structures and verify that the person is, in fact, homosexual because the wiring of the brain doesn't match the plumbing on the body. It's real. And if the person is actually so afflicted with this condition, it is NOT curable - because the person is functioning according to brain structures that are perfect healthy - but inconsistent with other structures.
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You're making a big assumption/jump from the brain structures to "it's not curable....perfectly healthy".
My brain structure with my depression is different, too, and still functioning daily normally - but I don't shrug my head and say well there's nothing I can do about it, I might as well celebrate my depression and embrace it and get a Depression tshirt.
This is the age old equivocating a biological basis for it, with can't-be-changed and must-be-embraced. We don't do that in just about any other abnormal condition, but societal pressure in the 70's and 80's convinced psychiatrists to acquiesce to what was clamored for. Now of course they endlessly search for a justification after the fact, and get bits and pieces here and there
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From all the reading I have ever encountered, Homosexuality has been around for longer than the current version of Homo-sapiens.
I also understand it's not restricted just to Humans, but is more obvious with our species especially when "on display".
I would counter that it's not an abnormal condition, just an uncommon one you personally don't like, possibly due to religious belief's.
I also understand it's not restricted just to Humans, but is more obvious with our species especially when "on display".
I would counter that it's not an abnormal condition, just an uncommon one you personally don't like, possibly due to religious belief's.
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I think the only thing those statements demonstrate, is that abnormal doesn't mean non-existent, nor new.
Depression has been around probably forever too, and I'm pretty sure my dog is depressed sometimes (LOL), that doesn't make it normal nor non-curable. But - and this is key - it DOES mean I have to put a lot of effort into getting better, which usually feels like an impossibility to the sufferer and many are the moments they wish someone would just give them the OK to stay that way, as with any condition that requires work to cure.
Oh yeah, most of the time I'd love to wallow in my depression and point to the fact that many other people are depressed too and my brain supports my depression, as a way to avoid the rather hard work of changing.
I can point to the millions of years that any condition has been around and that gives no gas to the belief that it's normal.
With the way the reproductive systems of male and female are set up, it's obviously not normal to have the urge to stick your p___ in another man's butt, but nonetheless is a common-enough problem that some people do wish this.
You can study the history of how and why homosexuality was removed from the psychiatrists' Bible as a mental condition, it's quite fascinating, but boils down to something very simple - they were pressured hard, by a lot of people, who simply didn't wish it to be considered an abnormal mental condition any more.
You see something perhaps a little bit similar happening with Obesity today in the US: There is a push by some who simply don't like it referred to as a disease or an abnormality. Why? Same reasons you cite, basically. "It's really common, and it's really hard to change, and I'm fine with the way I am, in fact I like it, and so please stop calling it something that makes me feel a certain way about it."
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I'm not the one making the assumption. Various psychology and psychiatry authorities and organizations have clearly stated that when it comes to homosexuality, there is nothing to cure. Just read the first paragraph of the Wikipedia article below. Read the rest if you are curious. I should also point out that, in the referenced article, "gender conversion therapy" has been equated to torture within the international definition of that term.
Conversion therapy - Wikipedia
There is no equivocation. Physical brain structures can be detected in the brain using P.E.T. scans and those structures - even in children - are visible as a predictor of a person's gender preference. For some years, religious types have tried to "break" people of homosexuality, only to find that (a) it doesn't work and (b) in the long run it does harm - sometimes leading to suicide at twice the rate for other situations. (See Wikipedia article for the basis for that statement.)
Here are some references that show clear correlation between brain structures and homosexuality. Since the brain structures are initiated during gestation - somewhere around week 6 if I recall correctly - it is clear that, as Lady Gaga, homosexuals (and heterosexuals) are "Born This Way."
Brain structure changes associated with sexual orientation - Scientific Reports
Biological sex differences in brain function and structure are reliably associated with several cortico-subcortical brain regions. While sexual orientation (hetero- versus homosexuality) has been similarly linked to functional differences in several phylogenetically-old brain areas, the research...
www.nature.com
Brain Differences Linked to Sexual Orientation
A recent study has identified a novel link between specific genes, brain anatomy, and sexual preference.
www.psychologytoday.com
Sex and the brain - Mapping Ignorance
An interesting question is whether the brains of gay and straight people are the same or different. One study found that they are slightly different and that the brains of gay men, in the aspects analyzed, are more similar to those of heterosexual women. This would support the idea that sexual...
mappingignorance.org
Gay Brains Structured Like Those of the Opposite Sex
Brain scans show evidence that some people may be born gay.
abcnews.go.com
Want more references? Do a search for "brain scan + homosexual" to find things ranging from formal technical journal articles from the National Institutes of Health to an ABC News article. Be warned that there are some religious apologists who try to argue against the findings, but the hard science shows that there ARE differences in structures initially formed by birth. I don't condemn them for try to argue their way out of the dilemma that starts by saying "God doesn't make junk, and homosexuals appear to be made at birth. Why do you condemn what God has done?"
