Verdict

[Steve R.]

... why can't democrats see how analogous the Trump trial is?

Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) clouds their minds.

 

[MarkK]

I presume you are talking to the people who think that I should not be allowed to vote for DJT because he might accidentally win. You know, those people who have been trying to get him off the ballots and failing that, throw him in jail over a book keeping dispute that Hillary was fined $106,000 for. Obama's bookkeeping "error" cost him $2 million. But Trump being the evil orange man that he is, was charged with 34 felonies - which apparently were all the same "crime" but each payment was charged separately to make the "crime" seem far worse than it was and to multiply the jail sentence.

That is how a banana republic operates. Different treatment for different people. Did you hear the answer and see the snarky smile Biden replied to the reporter with when asked about the verdict? That says it all.

Democracy is an essentially hopeful and optimistic paradigm. The dream that made America, and the dream that made America great, was not flavoured with bitterness and contempt, as your words seem to be.

I think the society we are is the net result of what each of us bring to the table, and if we all bring bitterness and contempt, then that is indeed what we can expect to find.

And we are, each of us as individuals, responsible for what we bring to the table.

We can build up. We can tear down. Choose wisely.

 

[moke123]

Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) clouds their minds.

PDS.

 

[Jon]

Let us see the full text of what Bill Barr said, because we know how democrats like to take things out of context, like their recent misleading commentary of Trumps use of the word "bloodbath."

Asked by NBC News' Lester Holt whether he considered Trump "responsible" for the violence at the Capitol, Barr said: "I do think he was responsible in the broad sense of that word, in that it appears that part of the plan was to send this group up to the Hill. I think the whole idea was to intimidate Congress. And I think that that was wrong."

But, he added, he hasn't seen evidence that Trump committed an actual crime. "I haven't seen anything to say he was legally responsible for it in terms of incitement," Barr said.

The commentator said that prominant republicans say Trump was responsible for the violence and attack on the capitol, and then cite Bill Barr as an example. But he never said that at all.

When talking about the break-in, Bill Barr says Trump was responsible for sending the group to the Hill, but NOT legally responsible for incitement.

Again, this is yet another clear example of TDS, where the truth gets distorted to promote a false narrative. Why not just admit that this disingenuous video is yet more propaganda to push a hateful and vindictive campaign to further smear a persecuted political rival?

 

[moke123]

Let us see the full text of what Bill Barr said, because we know how democrats like to take things out of context

That video is by republicans not democrats.

 

[Jon]

Regarding Chris Sununu in the video, this is also someone who hates Trump, previously calling him a "loser", "asshole", and "not a real republican". He wants to be president, but Trump is in his way. In other words, like the democrats, he is also trying to take down his political rival.

 

[Jon]

That video is by republicans not democrats.

I see now, from the YouTube channel, "Republican Voters Against Trump". These republican anti-Trumpers are also suffering from TDS. My comments remain true, except I will broaded the accusation from democrats to anti-Trumpers and political rivals, of which democrats form the vast majority. We know that there are Trump haters within the republican party, but to follow the democrats lead in gaslighting their political opponents just discredits their organisation.

 

[Steve R.]

Democracy is an essentially hopeful and optimistic paradigm. The dream that made America, and the dream that made America great, was not flavoured with bitterness and contempt, as your words seem to be.

We can build up. We can tear down. Choose wisely.

Once again you make a duplicitous Orwellian concept evoking the very enviable goals of hope and optimism. The Democratic party today is not about hope, optimism, and building up our culture. It is about tearing down Western culture through denigrating Judeo/Christian values, divisiveness, antisemitism, racism, and class warfare. Dershowitz just added one more banana to the US becoming a (corrupt) banana republic. Should you actually want to promote the enviable goals of hope and optimism, it seems that you need to become a conservative or at least a classical liberal. Democrats are the threat to democracy.

 

[Steve R.]

I have made numerous posts that Democrats, in their fanatical quest for the immediate "jailing" of political opponents make decisions that could potentially backfire on them in the future should the Republican finally demonstrate some courage. Mark Levin discusses that concept below.

Levin: If Trump’s the next president, he needs to ‘indict’ Biden and Blinken | Fox News Video

Fox News host Mark Levin explains why he’ll press Donald Trump, should he be elected to the White House, to indict President Biden on ‘Life, Liberty & Levin.’

www.foxnews.com

Furthermore, Democrats in their crazed implementation of TDS are damaging our institutions, turning the US into a banana republic.

It’s ‘hard to exaggerate the harm’ this will do to our institutions: John Yoo | Fox News Video

Former Deputy Assistant Attorney General John Yoo surmises what the Trump verdict will do to our legal system on ‘Life, Liberty & Levin.’

www.foxnews.com

 

[Mike Krailo]

I have made numerous posts that Democrats, in their fanatical quest for the immediate "jailing" of political opponents make decisions that could potentially backfire on them in the future should the Republican finally demonstrate some courage. Mark Levin discusses that concept below.

Levin: If Trump’s the next president, he needs to ‘indict’ Biden and Blinken | Fox News Video

Fox News host Mark Levin explains why he’ll press Donald Trump, should he be elected to the White House, to indict President Biden on ‘Life, Liberty & Levin.’

www.foxnews.com

Furthermore, Democrats in their crazed implementation of TDS are damaging our institutions, turning the US into a banana republic.

It’s ‘hard to exaggerate the harm’ this will do to our institutions: John Yoo | Fox News Video

Former Deputy Assistant Attorney General John Yoo surmises what the Trump verdict will do to our legal system on ‘Life, Liberty & Levin.’

www.foxnews.com

I would be happy just to see DJT back in the white house. It's going to be very tough to get an attorney general to bring those charges without it looking like retribution for the unjust things being done to trump now. None of these cases against trump mean anything outside of the election year we are now in. That's all that matters. Unfortunately, as Bongino said, the Republic is now officially dead.

We need a new constitutional amendment that spells it out clearly for those who try to destroy the Republic that going after a political rival by way of the court system is off-limits, because it directly interferes with the election at hand and potentially to the duties of the president as they should only be serving our country while in office without fear of frivolous law suits or indictments while serving or preparing to serve. This should be obvious to all and used to be for the history of our country, but due to the extreme division in our country we have to spell it out for them.

In this particular case, it is obvious the NY court system has interjected itself in the National Election laws by simply claiming that their state has their own election law that was violated. OK, they you should have prosecuted this back when it wasn't in an election year and when it was within the legal statute of limitations. For there to be justice, we must have separation of powers.

 

[moke123]

I figured out why Clinton and Obama got away with their campaign violations with fines rather than criminal prosecution. They had their campaigns pay for personal expenses whereas Trump did not. He paid for his personal expenses himself. The accusation seems to have been that Trump should have had his campaign pay Stormy. If he cheats his campaign, he is not a criminal but if he accounts honestly, he is. Go figure.

I'm confused Pat. Are you saying they should go after the Trump Campaign for their payments to Red Curve which were listed as legal expenses even though Red Curve doesn't provide legal services or are you talking the hush money accounting?

 

[Jon]

@moke123 I know you said you thought that judge Merchan was very fair, but you went strangely silent when I did my Klu Klux Klan analogy. So let me try another one instead.

Biden is accused of a crime that was never used before against anyone. The judge, a Republican who made illegal donations to an activist group called, "Stop Biden", has a son raising hundreds of millions of dollars for the Republican party. They try the case deep in redneck country, where 90% of them are Republican voters. The Republican prosecutor was elected after campaigning to "Get Biden", and dumps 200,000 pages of documents to the Biden defence team one week before the original trial date, despite having prepared for the trial for 7 years.

Do you think the judge should recuse himself? Do you believe Biden would get a fair trial?

 

[moke123]

In your KKK analogy I would be more concerned with the all white jury. Judicial actions are more readily available for appellate review so mistakes can be remedied. Juries not so much. I did have a murder case where I learned the jury plugged in a hot air vaporizer and ran their hands over the steam to see if it was hot enough to burn. That case was overturned due to jury misconduct but that's somewhat of a rarity.

Biden is accused of a crime that was never used before against anyone.

Trump was accused of a crime that is charged all the time. One of the paths to felony enhancement was novel but that doesn't mean it's invalid. No one was ever charged with murder for selling an addict bad heroin until they were.

The judge, a Republican who made illegal donations to an activist group

Merchan's $15, $10, And $10 donations were reviewed by The Commission on Judicial Conduct and found not to be disqualifying.
The Appellate Courts concurred. They also addressed the daughter issue.

They try the case deep in redneck country, where 90% of them are Republican voters.

Luck of the draw. Venue isn't decided on political persuasions.

dumps 200,000 pages of documents to the Biden defence team one week before the original trial date

This one's interesting but you'd have to know the intricacies of discovery rules to understand it fully.
In short, prosecutors are required to turn over evidence in their possession or control. Had it been the NYC police records it probably would have been a bigger issue. The local DA has no control over the feds or their records. The thing that surprises me is the failure of team trump to get them sooner. They weren't secret and readily available by subpoena. Total failure to prepare. You don't wait for that shit, you go out and get it. Take it from me. I'm the guy that does that.

All I can say is wait and see. Who knows. Merchan could have made some mistakes but that doesn't always add up to reversable error.

but you went strangely silent

Because I've had to chase this F**KER out of my yard 3 times today already.

 

[AccessBlaster]

Democrats have successfully changed Trumps image from billionaire elite to an average citizen that everyone can relate. Good job.

Luck of the draw. Venue isn't decided on political persuasions.

Unless your OJ Simpson

 

[Jon]

Blimey moke, you must live in the wilderness! We don't really have dangerous animals in the UK. It is all quite tame over here.

I do understand being concerned with an all white jury, and I agree with you on that, but if I use your argument, it is just luck of the draw. My understanding, unless I am wrong, is that nowadays they try to have a racial mix on juries, to stop prejudice and therefore an unfair trial. I am kinda guessing on this one but have a feeling it is true. And which is why you cannot get a fair trial when the entire jury hate you because of political reasons. So given that my analogy is close, you would seem to agree that due to luck of the draw, you would have concerns about Trump getting a fair trial.

However, the main part of my question is about Merchan. Imagine in the Klu Klux Klan example, the authorities reviewed the illegal Klan donation. "Nothing to see here!", they say. "See you next Friday at the burning." They are all Klan members and that is the problem.

You have to ask the question, if Merchan wants to stop Trump, which his donation proves, how can he be impartial?

About the records, if I recall correctly you said they cannot be used unless you get sufficient time to review them.

Also, I think you said that one of the Supreme Court justices should recuse themselve because their wife was at the Capitol property break-in. If so, would it not be a double standard if Merchan did not recuse himself because his daughter is a Trump hating acitivist who raises $100M+ to fight the man?

 

[Jon]

Democrats have successfully changed Trumps image from billionaire elite to an average citizen that everyone can relate. Good job.

Unless your OJ Simpson

I think OJ was innocent, wasn't he? [Runs for cover]

 

[Jon]

Blimey moke, you must live in the wilderness! We don't really have dangerous animals in the UK. It is all quite tame over here.

I do understand being concerned with an all white jury, and I agree with you on that, but if I use your argument, it is just luck of the draw. My understanding, unless I am wrong, is that nowadays they try to have a racial mix on juries, to stop prejudice and therefore an unfair trial. I am kinda guessing on this one but have a feeling it is true. And which is why you cannot get a fair trial when the entire jury hate you because of political reasons. So given that my analogy is close, you would seem to agree that due to luck of the draw, you would have concerns about Trump getting a fair trial.

However, the main part of my question is about Merchan. Imagine in the Klu Klux Klan example, the authorities reviewed the illegal Klan donation. "Nothing to see here!", they say. "See you next Friday at the burning." They are all Klan members and that is the problem.

You have to ask the question, if Merchan wants to stop Trump, which his donation proves, how can he be impartial?

About the records, you said they cannot be used unless you get them in sufficient time. But they were.

 

[ColinEssex]

Blimey moke, you must live in the wilderness! We don't really have dangerous animals in the UK. It is all quite tame over here.

People get attacked by seagulls in Brighton. I remember some sodding seagull pinched my sausage whilst I was walking along the prom.
Col

 

[AccessBlaster]

I read a story today about a convicted murderer facing less time in jail than Trump, when you add up everything Trump is accused of.

 

[MarkK]

But, we cannot take the other party's primary player off the table by using the "legal" system. OR can we?

Why is the goddess of justice kept blindfolded at court?