Are you an atheist?

[Bladerunner]

So for those who have never heard of him that's just tough.

Just think if you had been born somewhere else you could well be heading to hell, and you believe in this postcode lottery?

Brian

Brian, there is no lottery here, it is a choice. A private, individual choice.

 

[ColinEssex]

Brian, there is no lottery here, it is a choice. A private, individual choice.

If that were true, why is it necessary for religious freaks to ram it down people's throats at every opportunity. It's creepy, unnecessary and annoying yet they still do it.

Col

 

[Brianwarnock]

Brian, there is no lottery here, it is a choice. A private, individual choice.

LOL you really do put your own meaning on what people write, the lottery was where you are born, if you had been born in India you would probably almost certainly be a Hindu not a Christian, if you had been born deep in the Brazilian jungle you would have been.. Well do you get the message yet?

Brian

 

[Bladerunner]

If that were true, why is it necessary for religious freaks to ram it down people's throats at every opportunity. It's creepy, unnecessary and annoying yet they still do it.

Col

Just like I did, COLIN? I did not know the extent of the contact you had with the chrurch however, All I can say is it is a choice. DO not and I repeat Do not fail to make the right choice because of you animosity for the church.

Now if I have over stepped any boundaries in the past , I apologize to you and will not address you again.


Have a good week
Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

LOL you really do put your own meaning on what people write, the lottery was where you are born, if you had been born in India you would probably almost certainly be a Hindu not a Christian, if you had been born deep in the Brazilian jungle you would have been.. Well do you get the message yet?

Brian

There are Christians in India. I would have had a choice?

The Brazilian Jungle well I would have been Christian. As I said there are not a lot of places that do not know about God. However, I understand what you are trying to say. My answer is, I would hope that God treats them as children should they not know about Him. However, I also stated, it would not be good to tell a little white lie about that knowledge.or lack thereof.

 

[Bladerunner]

LOL you really do put your own meaning on what people write, the lottery was where you are born, if you had been born in India you would probably almost certainly be a Hindu not a Christian, if you had been born deep in the Brazilian jungle you would have been.. Well do you get the message yet?

Brian

As far as the lottery is concern, I honestly missed that? Sorry

 

[Vassago]

And so it begins....................

in a Rowan County, KY court clerks office. It seems the ACLU has filed a law suit against Democratic Kim Davis. She has refused to issue marriage license to anyone both homosexual or heterosexual. She tells them to get their license in neighboring counties.


It is called civil disobedience and I fear it is only the beginning.

http://www.courier-journal.com/stor...u-lawsuit-rowan-clerks-gay-marriage/29639341/

This isn't a case of a church refusing to marry a gay couple. This is a public servant refusing to do her job. She should be taken out and let someone else step up that will do the job.

 

[Bladerunner]

This isn't a case of a church refusing to marry a gay couple. This is a public servant refusing to do her job. She should be taken out and let someone else step up that will do the job.

This is not a case of discrimination........SHe does not dish out marriage license to anyone. Under Ky law, a license obtain anywhere in the state can be used anywhere.

The state is taking actions because she is not complying with the law dealing with the clerks office. This law only deals with the marriage license that are issued or supposed to issued. Why because under KY law if children are involved in a marriage, the county where they live has to issue the license. She has effectively stopped this. Accordingly she could go to jail for a year if she continues.

Having said that, it may be her religious beliefs not to help Gays get married, but it is against the law of the state to not issue marriage license from any county clerk office in the state. She will be forced to leave or issue the marriage license to ALL.
The frackin' ACLU went there with the gays in pocket just in case this happened and filed suite immediately.. All this does is promote increased bad feelings to the point of HATE. We do not need that, but this is the way of the Gays and their ACLU lawyers.

The lady with the Cake is a example. Why must she be forced to become part of the Gay marriage by making a cake that is not (one of the ones in the store front created for anyone to buy) but rather a special one for just them.

Anther example, comes into a furniture store, looks at the tables that are for sale and notice a sign that custom made tables are available. They decide they do not want a 'fit-all' table but a custom one. The owner decides that if he makes them a custom table, he will be helping them with their lifestyle which is against my religious beliefs. He refuses to build them a custom table.

Are They going to force me to build that table????????....Sure they will!!!! You see where we are going???????

You are right, the lady needs to be either removed from office or persuaded to issues marriage licenses to all. (BY THE STATE) not a damn lawsuit.

 

[Frothingslosh]

1) You keep saying "the gays". You do, realize, the kind of homophobia this reveals? It indicates that you don't see them in the same category that you see "people".
2) She is legally obligated to issue the marriage certificate if the couple qualifies. The couple met the requirements, and she refused. This places her in violation of the law. Because it is absolutely a civil rights issue, and because anyone with two working brain cells could see this coming all over the more conservative areas of the country, why are you so surprised the ACLU was ready and waiting?
3) By your logic, selling ammunition to someone who later commits a murder is taking part in that murder. Is she having sex with the gay couple? Is she receiving benefits from being in a recognized relationship with them? If not, then she is not taking part of that marriage.

Granting someone the same rights you have had your entire life is not 'oppressing you'. You, like most of the Religious Reich, cannot handle the fact that you no longer get to dictate to society what they are to believe, and the very idea that other religions (or none at all) could POSSIBLY have the same legal status as your particular branch Christianity obviously terrifies you.

As to the baker thing you "people" so love to bring up: It happened in Oregon, where there are very explicit anti-discrimination laws barring discrimination against certain groups and for certain reasons. Included in the protected groups are LGBT individuals, and discrimination based on sexual orientation falls afoul of those laws. What these people is PRECISELY the same as if the bakery had refused service because they were black, or Jewish, or a woman placed the order.

Or are you going to sit here and argue that discrimination based on color, religion, or gender should also be perfectly acceptable? Or that, perhaps, "my religion says this" should trump all laws?

 

[Vassago]

This is not a case of discrimination........SHe does not dish out marriage license to anyone. Under Ky law, a license obtain anywhere in the state can be used anywhere.

Discrimination or not, lawsuits make things change that are broken. I don't care who filed it, she still is not doing her job and that should be fixed.

The lady with the Cake is a example. Why must she be forced to become part of the Gay marriage by making a cake that is not (one of the ones in the store front created for anyone to buy) but rather a special one for just them.

I agree. I don't think anyone with a private business should be forced to make a cake with a message they disagree with. The last time I checked, private businesses are allowed to refuse service to anyone, with or without reason. That being said, it's important to determine if she isn't making the cake because of something specific to the cake itself or because of who the customers are. That's something I don't think any of us can answer, only the people involved. There will probably be cases to prove it one way or the other. I still believe discrimination because of sexual preference should be against the law. A cake has no sexual preference.

Anther example, comes into a furniture store, looks at the tables that are for sale and notice a sign that custom made tables are available. They decide they do not want a 'fit-all' table but a custom one. The owner decides that if he makes them a custom table, he will be helping them with their lifestyle which is against my religious beliefs. He refuses to build them a custom table.

Are They going to force me to build that table????????....Sure they will!!!! You see where we are going???????

If your only reason to refuse the table is the sexual preference of the person asking for it, it should be against the law. PERIOD.

And how the hell does building someone a table "help them with their lifestyle."

And are these same business going to start refusing service to anyone who has sex out of wedlock? I mean, let's not nitpick on our rules we feel would violate our religious beliefs, right?

 

[Bladerunner]

1) You keep saying "the gays". You do, realize, the kind of homophobia this reveals? It indicates that you don't see them in the same category that you see "people".?

BOY HOWDY!..........You sure do get you panties in a wad real quick.....What would you prefer I call them??????They are people....They are different from the rest of us by their own definition. I could call them LGBT people....... But Bisexuals and transvestites are not trying to get married. They even have a Gay Parade (Maybe it should be an LGBT parade).... I have come to the conclusion, no matter what I saaaaaaaaaay, it will be far below your standards set for me.Why, I do not understand but guess because I am religious, you do not want to be my friend?

2) She is legally obligated to issue the marriage certificate if the couple qualifies. The couple met the requirements, and she refused. This places her in violation of the law. Because it is absolutely a civil rights issue, and because anyone with two working brain cells could see this coming all over the more conservative areas of the country, why are you so surprised the ACLU was ready and waiting??

Yes, according to KY law she is legally obligated to issue marriage licenses to all people (there is that better??) and she did not. No, it was not a civil rights case, which the Frackin' ACLU will have you believe, but rather a state Law that had been violated. I am actually surprised they did not get her on "Hate Crime' charges or something. They are trying to make an example out of some people and that is just nothing but wrong. The state will fix it and if needed will remove her from office and if needed will put her in jail. All with out the help of the AGBT community and their legal village idiots. Guess you can tell I have no symphony for the legal idots.........lol They are the liberal watch dogs not mine.

Whats the old Lawyer joke,,,,,If you put half of all the lawyers and all of the ACLU lawyers in the ocean 100 miles out and left them there,.....It would be a good start???????

3) By your logic, selling ammunition to someone who later commits a murder is taking part in that murder. Is she having sex with the gay couple? Is she receiving benefits from being in a recognized relationship with them? If not, then she is not taking part of that marriage.?

You have gone off the deep end here and Not really sure what you are talking about???????? The commit "selling ammunition to someone who later commits a murder is taking part in that murder." you made is really what the liberals do........does it not?????? Don't understand the rest...Someone out there please spell it it out in plain English so this old,,old country boy can understand the situation?>?????

Granting someone the same rights you have had your entire life is not 'oppressing you'. You, like most of the Religious Reich, cannot handle the fact that you no longer get to dictate to society what they are to believe, and the very idea that other religions (or none at all) could POSSIBLY have the same legal status as your particular branch Christianity obviously terrifies you.?

While I am against the Judges(Supreme Court Dictators) decisions, it is law now and I have to go by that regardless of what I believe.The comment of :", cannot handle the fact that you no longer get to dictate to society what they are to believe, " is wrong. It appears that (whatever people) are finding it hard to goad the religious people into accepting their lifestyles. Like I said, tolerance on the LGBT and their lawyer idiots side is non existent . This lady simply made a BIG mistake from which it appears she will pay dearly for it. Or is it Blood you (whatever) people want...

I believe in Jesus Christ thus I have no fear of Death. I will protect the rights and the liberties afforded by law of these Uniteds States, to you and anyone else who are part of this great nation,,,(Oh Yes,,,, this includes the LGBT or (whatever people). I am sorry you feel that I do not! Be sure and tell me what I can call them.

As to the baker thing you "people" so love to bring up: It happened in Oregon, where there are very explicit anti-discrimination laws barring discrimination against certain groups and for certain reasons. Included in the protected groups are LGBT individuals, and discrimination based on sexual orientation falls afoul of those laws. What these people is PRECISELY the same as if the bakery had refused service because they were black, or Jewish, or a woman placed the order.?

While the Baker lawsuit goes on, You cannot see that if that baker bakes them a "SPECIAL" cake then she is taking part in their ceremony which is why she cannot do it according to her beliefs. Should they want a cake that is on the shelf, made for everyone, She would not have any problem selling it to them. Like the furniture maker, If he makes a piece of furniture and places it in his store to sell, then ALL can buy it with no questions asked.

What I am getting from you is regardless (iregardless), the cake maker and the furniture maker has to make the customized piece, Cake, or be a lawbreaker and a civil rights violator. This view is very dangerous,,,,,very dangerous indeed for it could be extended to anyone by anybody for anything

Or are you going to sit here and argue that discrimination based on color, religion, or gender should also be perfectly acceptable? Or that, perhaps, "my religion says this" should trump all laws?

I have never been against discrimination for any reason. WHat I have been against is the pushing it down the throats of people without going through the proper steps,,,(the legislative process instead of the Judicial Dictorialship).

As far as the last sentence posted goes, you are going to think what you are going to think regardless (irregardless) of what I say......

 

[Bladerunner]

Discrimination or not, lawsuits make things change that are broken. I don't care who filed it, she still is not doing her job and that should be fixed.?

The State of KY trumps the feds here. She will be dealt with and all of those people that were wronged will just have to be patient.

I agree. I don't think anyone with a private business should be forced to make a cake with a message they disagree with. The last time I checked, private businesses are allowed to refuse service to anyone, with or without reason. That being said, it's important to determine if she isn't making the cake because of something specific to the cake itself or because of who the customers are. That's something I don't think any of us can answer, only the people involved. There will probably be cases to prove it one way or the other. I still believe discrimination because of sexual preference should be against the law. A cake has no sexual preference.?

Private business cannot turn anyone down for service because of sexual, race etc. However, requiring custom work goes a little too far.

If your only reason to refuse the table is the sexual preference of the person asking for it, it should be against the law. PERIOD.?

Why, I thought you upheld my right to have a religious belief??????????????????.

And how the hell does building someone a table "help them with their lifestyle."?

Do WHAT?????oh my?????????????A couple (speaking from experience) that wants a piece of furniture that is customized wants it to fit their lifestyle completely. Whether it be a table, bed, or cabinets, etc. it is very personal. To simply buy a piece of furniture where there are several exact copies, makes me the same as the next person next door. Custom says I/we am/are different Do you want to have a car with the same body style or color that everybody else has? Oh, yeah, customized anything is personal and constitutes a lifestyle..

 

[Bladerunner]

There was one lady, a Clerk in one Tennessee county who resigned her position because of her religious beliefs.against Gay Marriage.

Am waiting for the ACLU flunkys to sue her next even though she quit.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

I have had enough of Blade's foolishness. His mind has clearly been warped by childhood pressures to toe the line of his family's religion regardless of the idiocy of their position. Logic is wasted on Blade because not only does his childhood indoctrination bury him in a rut looking for things that aren't there, it also makes any attempt to separate him from his religious fantasies a lost cause. No matter HOW accurate and precise the logic, if it points away from his religion, he has a cognitive dissonance that prevents him from accepting the logic and its conclusions.

Blade, you CERTAINLY have the right to believe as you believe but I see you as a force for stagnation, for lack of improvement, for prevention of change for the better. Let me state it simply. Your beliefs as stated here demonstrate clearly to everyone else that you are bigoted and unable to do anything other than to "judge a book by its cover." You claim otherwise but your words and phrases are those of the mindless slave to a force of bigotry, hatred, and persecution.

I simply hope that you understand MY position. This country's laws were founded on the belief that ALL men were created equal (in the eyes of the law.) The separation of church and state is an extension of that concept, in that we DO NOT claim that all men were created equal in the eyes of your God. The parable of the sower and the seeds, in and of itself, would make it clear that God doesn't believe in equality. But the moral of that parable shows that your God exhorts forgiveness for that which is different. Of course, since I'm a former Christian you have decided to dismiss me and my interpretation of the Bible. Which reveals that you overtly or indirectly believe in the fallacy of "No true Christian."

Blade, in earlier parts of this long thread of posts, you explicitly condemned Muslims as a terrible threat to this country. I accuse YOU of being a worse threat, because you work insidiously to deny civil rights equally to all. Don't worry, if Muslims actually were stupid enough to physically attack the USA, they would get shot from so many directions by so many hunters that it would not take long to end that threat.

You, on the other hand, hide behind your belief that your religion lets you do and say hurtful things but you can hide behind that religion. Those are the ideas that are divisive about your approach. We don't need you to be this way. If you can't recognize that civil rights are for everyone, then we don't need you here at all. Go join ISIS. They don't believe in allowing civil rights to women or gays. You'd love being with them. (Of course, they might have something to say about your current religion, since freedom of religion is yet another right that they don't recognize.)

The story of the furniture maker gives me pause because of what it reveals about the way you think. If a woman had walked into a furniture store prior to about 1919 and asked for furniture consistent with her lifestyle, would the custom furniture maker have been within his rights to refuse SOLELY because of her lifestyle? If she asked for the impossible or offered insufficient money for the fabrication, that would be one thing. But if he decided he didn't want to serve women customers (and no other reason), would he have been wrong? (That date is prior to the Women's Rights movement, by the way.)

I believe, in closing, that is a case where you would do better to not try to remove the speck in my eye if you fail to first remove the beam in your own eye. If this sounds harsh, it was brought on by my analysis of your words of exclusion and masked hatred. Good luck, Blade. I very strongly doubt it will ever happen, but on the odd chance that you DO get to stand before your Creator, I hope you have an answer for "Why did you express hate against so many people for so little reason?"

 

[Frothingslosh]

It's funny how when SCOTUS rules in favor of more power for corporations and for forcing Christian beliefs on the population, they're 'defending American rights', but when they rule for equality for minorities or that half of a sentence by itself taken completely out of context doesn't invalidate the law it's part of, they're 'Judicial Dictators'.

It really rather reminds me of "We are at war with Eastasia. We have always been at war with Eastasia." and 'blackwhite'.

The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them... To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just as long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies – all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth.

 

[Frothingslosh]

I have never been against discrimination for any reason.

And therein lies the problem.

 

[Frothingslosh]

You, on the other hand, hide behind your belief that your religion lets you do and say hurtful things but you can hide behind that religion. Those are the ideas that are divisive about your approach. We don't need you to be this way. If you can't recognize that civil rights are for everyone, then we don't need you here at all. Go join ISIS. They don't believe in allowing civil rights to women or gays. You'd love being with them. (Of course, they might have something to say about your current religion, since freedom of religion is yet another right that they don't recognize.)

Honestly, he'd fit right in in Uganda, save for it being so full of black people. The nation is overwhelmingly Christian, and actually had the proposed penalty for homosexuality in the Uganda Anti-Homosexuality Act, 2014 be the death penalty until international outcry forced them to cut it back to life imprisonment instead. I'm sure he wouldn't be subjected to "the gays" flying rainbow flags, though, or demanding that they actually be treated like real people.

I'm not sure if he could keep his guns, however.

 

[Bladerunner]

Bladerunner, "I have never been against discrimination for any reason. WHat I have been against is the pushing it down the throats of people without going through the proper steps,,,(the legislative process instead of the Judicial Dictorialship)."

It would seem that Frothy found a typo error and took it out of context.Here is the what it should have read "I have always been against discrimination for any reason"........The rest looks good to me ... If you doubt, carefully read the last sentence and tell it makes sense when put with the first sentence.

Thanks Frothy for bringing that to my attention.

Hey Doc, just were did the "separation of Church and State" come from.. It is not in the constitution or any legal documents of the government. Yet, the liberals rip down crosses in the parking lots, banish prayer from schools, the ACLU village idiots rampage to remove "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance while the liberal masses discount the Pledge of Allegiance as a piece of trash and is trying through judicial legislation to destroy the very fabric of these Unites States.

You call me a bigot, well, I think there are a lot of so-called liberals that are the bigots against the Christian religion.

It is really too Bad!

 

[ColinEssex]

I have never been against discrimination for any reason. WHat I have been against is the pushing it down the throats of people without going through the proper steps,,,

That's weird. You are weird.

Discrimination is good?

Yet doing what you do (push religion down the throats of people) is not good.

You really need to reassess you outlook on life and your interactions with other people.

I can't say more of what I would like to say because Gizzy is itching to ban and delete me, it's sad when free speech is curtailed by mods.

Col

 

[Frothingslosh]

Biblical marriage:

A Christian Nation:

A valid point:

And in summary....