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[Bladerunner]

The way he's babbling, I think we broke him.

is that your goal????????Frothy

 

[Bladerunner]

Interesting. I have to reread it to make sure I actually read it right. It does seem to read that way to me.

You are right Vassago. A Greek word (Miseo). Of course Frothy would take it out of context.

Essentially it means that if love your father, mother,,,,,,,,,etc.... more than you love Christ, then you cannot be a disciple. To be a disciple takes nothing less than a total commitment. Mother Teresa comes to mind... A hard level to commit to.

for more reading on this word "HATE" in the Bible, http://www.tektonics.org/gk/jesussayshate.php

 

[Frothingslosh]

As I said earlier, doublespeak from Mr-The-Bible-Is-Literal-Truth-Except-When-It-Isn't.

I do enjoy the irony, however, of him whining that I'm taking a statement out of context when just a week ago, he used a partial quote on divorce to try to make it look like a quote on gay marriage:

http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=1437414&postcount=5075

There is rather a difference, however, between misrepresenting a quote on one thing as being a quote on another topic entirely, and saying "According to the Bible, Jesus said this" and then providing the quote saying precisely that.

I neither said nor implied that it wasn't part of a larger discussion on the requirements of being one of his disciples (and note, it was about disciples, not 'Christians', as he would have been Jewish and, according to the Bible, was trying to teach Jews, not form a new religion). I simply said that, according to the Bible, he stated you had to hate your family in order to be a disciple, and then provided the quote literally stating that you had to hate your family in order to be a disciple.

 

[Frothingslosh]

is that your goal????????Frothy

If I had any indication that breaking you would get you to start THINKING, it would be, but no, I was just laughing at you.

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

Do cake makers have to adorn cakes with ISIS flags upon request? Of fear of being discriminatory against ultra extreme muslims?


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-Isil-flags-in-London-says-Boris-Johnson.html

 

[Vassago]

I guess that is why the cake couple got fined $100,000 and told not to talk........Oh.....
Not to tell people that their religion is who they are and they believe in GOD.......

Is not this against the first amendment but I'll bet there is a double standard here also. no there already is.....

They based their refusal, not on the message on the cake, but on the fact that the customers were gay. You fail to understand the difference. They actually said, it was BECAUSE the customer was gay. That is against the law in Oregon. Thankfully, they are smart enough to have laws that prevent discrimination based on sexual orientation, right along with race, gender, ethnic background, etc...

 

[Vassago]

You are right Vassago. A Greek word (Miseo). Of course Frothy would take it out of context.

Essentially it means that if love your father, mother,,,,,,,,,etc.... more than you love Christ, then you cannot be a disciple. To be a disciple takes nothing less than a total commitment. Mother Teresa comes to mind... A hard level to commit to.

for more reading on this word "HATE" in the Bible, http://www.tektonics.org/gk/jesussayshate.php

So, what you are saying is that there are different translations and interpretations. The same thing I've been saying regarding the translations of the verses used in the New Testament that consider homosexuality against God.

 

[Vassago]

Do cake makers have to adorn cakes with ISIS flags upon request? Of fear of being discriminatory against ultra extreme muslims?


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-Isil-flags-in-London-says-Boris-Johnson.html

It depends. Would they bake that same cake for someone who wasn't Muslim? Would that refusal have to do with the customer identifying as Muslim and nothing to do with the message on the cake? If so, then yes. It's not about the cake, it's about the customer.

Now if they refused to bake a cake, especially one they bake for other customers constantly, for a Muslim, that would probably fall under discrimination.

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

It depends. Would they bake that same cake for someone who wasn't Muslim? Would that refusal have to do with the customer identifying as Muslim and nothing to do with the message on the cake? If so, then yes. It's not about the cake, it's about the customer.

Now if they refused to bake a cake, especially one they bake for other customers constantly, for a Muslim, that would probably fall under discrimination.

No they do not want to bake a cake with isis flag on for anyone - nor a "support gay marriage" cake for anyone either.

 

[Vassago]

No they do not want to bake a cake with isis flag on for anyone - nor a "support gay marriage" cake for anyone either.

I don't see anything wrong with refusing that. The cake in question did not say "support gay marriage." It was a simple cake design that was refused because of the orientation of the customer, hence the discrimination. The bakers admitted that is why they refused.

Basically, they were going to make the cake, but when they found out the customers were lesbian, they refused. That's plain and simple discrimination based on the laws of Oregon.

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

I don't see anything wrong with refusing that. The cake in question did not say "support gay marriage." It was a simple cake design that was refused because of the orientation of the customer, hence the discrimination. The bakers admitted that is why they refused.

Basically, they were going to make the cake, but when they found out the customers were lesbian, they refused. That's plain and simple discrimination based on the laws of Oregon.

I think me and Brian are talking of a different thing to you. In NI the slogan was what they objected to not the customer.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-32065233

 

[Vassago]

I think me and Brian are talking of a different thing to you. In NI the slogan was what they objected to not the customer.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-32065233

I saw that story, but I thought you were responding and comparing that story to the one Bladerunner was talking about in Oregon.

I disagree with the Northern Ireland ruling. I don't feel like a bakery should be forced to design a cake slogan of something they disagree with. There's a huge difference between the Northern Ireland and Oregon, US cases, for sure. The bakery in Oregon actually admitted they refused the standard cake because of the orientation of the customers. They wanted a standard cake they offered everyone. There was no special message involved.

 

[Galaxiom]

No they do not want to bake a cake with isis flag on for anyone - nor a "support gay marriage" cake for anyone either.

There was a case in Louisiana last month where a Walmart baker refused to put a Confederate flag on a cake, so the annoyed customer asked for another design which they obliged, apparently not realising it was an ISIS battle flag.

 

[Bladerunner]

They based their refusal, not on the message on the cake, but on the fact that the customers were gay. You fail to understand the difference. They actually said, it was BECAUSE the customer was gay. That is against the law in Oregon. Thankfully, they are smart enough to have laws that prevent discrimination based on sexual orientation, right along with race, gender, ethnic background, etc...

Frackin' liberal way, destroy everybody who don't think like they do especially the Christians.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

The fact that this Wal-Mart cake incident occurred in Slidell, LA is no surprise to me. I live in New Orleans, which is across Lake Ponchartrain from there, about a 30 minute drive in good weather with light traffic. The local joke is that we prefer to go with people from the West Bank of New Orleans rather than Slidellians because at least the West Bank folks are more likely to get their tattoos spelled correctly.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Frackin' liberal way, destroy everybody who don't think like they do especially the Christians.

If being liberal means preventing closed-minded yokels from taking explicitly discriminatory action in violation of the rights of others, the yokels deserve some pain. Maybe not destruction, but certainly SOME kind of public chastisement. Maybe some bad advertising would do the trick.

 

[Galaxiom]

Frackin' liberal way, destroy everybody who don't think like they do especially the Christians.

Yeah. They already got away with insisting on equal rights for women and African Americans.

 

[Bladerunner]

If being liberal means preventing closed-minded yokels from taking explicitly discriminatory action in violation of the rights of others, the yokels deserve some pain. Maybe not destruction, but certainly SOME kind of public chastisement. Maybe some bad advertising would do the trick.

In these United States it is destruction for the people who don't believe as the liberal does. You are included in that Doc. It really does not matter if it is right or wrong but rather how the liberal thinks it is.

 

[Frothingslosh]

You know, watching Blade's descent into delusion and paranoia is quite interesting, the way he projects onto liberals his own political intentions and desires.

What Blade (intentionally, I'm sure) left out of the LA cake thing was that, while the second cake request was for an ISIS flag, the employee who took the order and made the cake had no idea what that flag was, and would have rejected the order had they known.

Also, I know the guy. He's an acquaintance of my best friend, and very nearly a clone of Blade.

 

[Frothingslosh]

Yeah. They already got away with insisting on equal rights for women and African Americans.

Next up, the FEMA...er..I mean WalMart death camps.

So how did that invasion of Texas go? I don't recall hearing about any pitched battles of patriotic conservative heroes vs evil goose-stepping US soldiers lately.