Are you an atheist? (1 Viewer)

[dan-cat]

Yes, Dan Cat to a point. It was all local and state. Now under Obama Care I am paying for some ** out in California.

Do you think it fair that the private sector covers the cost of the principle "nobody is turned away"? What if that principle makes those institutions run at a loss and they go out of business?

 

[Frothingslosh]

This is like listening to Fox news.

And even less accurate. The 'getting $80k per year on Welfare' schtick has been debunked repeatedly, but it JUST. WON'T. DIE.

 

[Frothingslosh]

Do you think it fair that the private sector covers the cost of the principle "nobody is turned away"? What if that principle makes those institutions run at a loss and they go out of business?

Let's be brutally honest here. The private sector doesn't cover shit - those costs are passed on to the rest of the people using those services. That's one of the reason health care is so expensive in the US, probably second only to greed.

 

[Frothingslosh]

To therefore say that a socialist-leaning president is somehow destroying God seems a bit extreme. Just one man's observation, you understand.

I think I'm with Nietzsche on this one.

 

[Alc]

And even less accurate. The 'getting $80k per year on Welfare' schtick has been debunked repeatedly, but it JUST. WON'T. DIE.

Along with the 'He's not really an American' thing. I'm spotting a pattern here.

 

[Frothingslosh]

Along with the 'He's not really an American' thing. I'm spotting a pattern here.

And let's not forget "Obama's a secret Muslim traitor working for ISIS even though he has attended Christian churches his entire life, eats pig, drinks beer, and has stated repeatedly that he's Christian."

Yeah, definite pattern.

Also, before ISIS, he was apparently a secret Muslim traitor working for the Muslim Brotherhood, according to those folks.

Hell, I've seen people blame 9/11 on him.

 

[Alc]

Hell, I've seen people blame 9/11 on him.

Now THAT would have been quite an accomplishment for someone who wasn't yet in any position of real power. Mad enough to blame Bush for it, but at least he was president so the conspiracy nuts could play the 'POTUS is all-powerful' card.

 

[Frothingslosh]

Now THAT would have been quite an accomplishment for someone who wasn't yet in any position of real power. Mad enough to blame Bush for it, but at least he was president so the conspiracy nuts could play the 'POTUS is all-powerful' card.

Oh, they blame everything on him. Needless to say, there are people who were adults in the 2000's who blame the 2008 recession on him, too, despite him not taking office until 2009.

I mean, seriously, I'm an Obama supporter, and even I will admit there are plenty of things he has done or condoned to be unhappy about. There's no real need to invent more of them, but then, that's how politics are played.

 

[dan-cat]

Let's be brutally honest here. The private sector doesn't cover shit - those costs are passed on to the rest of the people using those services. That's one of the reason health care is so expensive in the US, probably second only to greed.

Well you let the cat out of the bag. I was going to push him on how the private sector absorbed the costs of such a highly esteemed principle. Never mind.

 

[Frothingslosh]

Well you let the cat out of the bag. I was going to push him on how the private sector absorbed the costs of such a highly esteemed principle. Never mind.

LOL

You probably still can. We all know he doesn't really read my posts.

Sorry to spoil your fun, though.

 

[Bladerunner]

Just to focus on one thing from the lengthy, rambling post: this is scary. for a few reasons

Firstly, people really need to give up on claiming Obama is Sunni (or similar bullsh*t). Problems with his policies? Fine. Every politician has his supporters and detractors. I don't like him myself, but I agree with some of what he's said and I'm able to restrict any criticisms to the policies. Unable to make a coherent argument, so many Republicans resort to "He wasn't born here", "He's a Sunni", "He's a Muslim", "I don't like him because he's black" (not stated as openly but still a view you can hear from a loud minority). Avoid the personal crap and people will probably listen to your opinions a bit more.

Secondly, claiming that capitalism and god are inextricably linked is nonsense. Yes, throughout history, many people have cashed in on the gullible and easily led and made money via religion, but those days are gone. It's now very possible to become rich without professing to believe in an all-powerful being. You may have heard of a Mr William Gates? He's done pretty well for himself in spite of not believing in god.

you missed the whole point ALC.... and check out Obama wedding ring... Better look at several articles cause if you really want to know, the liberals are bashing all articles for a reason.

Blade\

 

[Bladerunner]

Seems to me that Jesus wasn't a capitalist, he was a socialist always telling folks to share their wealth with the poor. Like when he confronted the money-lenders at the temple and in some the Beatitudes. Or did I miss something here? I don't recall any time that the messages of Jesus and of Gordon Gecko ("greed is GOOD") overlapped.

To therefore say that a socialist-leaning president is somehow destroying God seems a bit extreme. Just one man's observation, you understand.

you too missed the point of socialism I was trying to make as well.

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

Do you think it fair that the private sector covers the cost of the principle "nobody is turned away"? What if that principle makes those institutions run at a loss and they go out of business?

You got it buddy.....is exactly what they are doing and doing it on purpose.


Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

And even less accurate. The 'getting $80k per year on Welfare' schtick has been debunked repeatedly, but it JUST. WON'T. DIE.

Oh you poor boy or girl,,,, you have been deceived,,,,,,Got your calculator....add em up.

http://contracostabee.com/average-welfare-recipient-gets-40000-per-year/

AVERAGE = 40,000........Hawaii welfare recipient get $60,000

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

Let's be brutally honest here. The private sector doesn't cover shit - those costs are passed on to the rest of the people using those services. That's one of the reason health care is so expensive in the US, probably second only to greed.

I agree and now with Obama care,,, it is only it is only going to get worse. 35% increase this year alone. that does not count the huge increases in subsidies to those who cannot afford it.

You are living in a pipe dream.

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

I think I'm with Nietzsche on this one.

you missed it as well,, although I did expect you to miss it.

Have you heard of Moral Relativism... Yes, liberalism is godless. Well I should not say that. There are any number of Gods out there that are being glorified and worshiped. Very few of them if any believe or worship the God of all creation. YWHW./

Yes, we are becoming a godless country. The atheist on this thread and around the world should applaud that more than anyone. You are bringing a once great nation to its knees.

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

This is like listening to Fox news.

Now ALC,,,lets not change the subject. See a previous post. It is all around. Just open your eyes/

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

And let's not forget "Obama's a secret Muslim traitor working for ISIS even though he has attended Christian churches his entire life, eats pig, drinks beer, and has stated repeatedly that he's Christian."

Yeah, definite pattern.

Also, before ISIS, he was apparently a secret Muslim traitor working for the Muslim Brotherhood, according to those folks.

Hell, I've seen people blame 9/11 on him.

do you write these things down so you can re-post them? really. Have you read the KORAN----it is ok to lie or whatever as long as it is in the name of ALLAH.

I did not call him a traitor,,,get it right for once. Please. I said he was a devote Islamist. Whave you ever wonder why we pulled out of IraQ...(SHIiTES),,,, or maybe helping the Syrian rebels (SUNNI),,Syrian Assad (Shiites, Iran (SHIITES),

ISIS (SUNNI),, UNited Arab Nations, (SUNNI),,
alQuida--(SUNNI) and so- on and so forth.

Do you think that the Rev. Jeramiah Wright is a real Christian, His exact words.. "GD America", etc...sounds like it don't it. Him and his church are Black activists.


Don't forget one thing, A Muslim Cleric stated in the early 2,000(s) that it would take 100 years for American to become a Muslim country. They are now saying it will only take 30 years. I would say that is in part thanks to a liberal president that would like nothing better to see American transformed into a socialist republic. Much like most of you out there.

Thank You

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

Well you let the cat out of the bag. I was going to push him on how the private sector absorbed the costs of such a highly esteemed principle. Never mind.

NOt so fast..In my county, we are all taxed. that tax burden includes money spent for the indigent people.

In my state, the state sales tax covers the cost for Medicaid and Indigent care.

Now the last time I counted, I personally pay those taxes then my business pays those taxes also. Yes, in the business, I have to raise rates to cover cost of those taxes. So you use my services, the price you pay pays for some of those taxes. Some of the things I personally purchase and purchase through the business also are paying for some of those taxes,because their rates went up/

Now we are paying for Obama Care.in our healthcare premiums. A $2,000 premium that was once $500 to $1000/

Sorry boys you got it all wrong....... When you get everybody taxed to the hilt, and there is not more money out there to give away, what does socialism do then\
\ASK GREECE They have already done it.

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

Seems to me that Jesus wasn't a capitalist, he was a socialist always telling folks to share their wealth with the poor. Like when he confronted the money-lenders at the temple and in some the Beatitudes.

Hi Doc...First of all the Be-Atitudes were for only the disciples. The sermon on the Mount was not to the Multitudes but to the Believers. They actually are the Kingdom laws and take the Ten Commandments and expand them. it is also a condemnation of the non-believers.

Do you care to discuss them? Of course one at a time.

Socialism is man's rules only, we are charged with helping others. We do that all the time, The socialism ideology pulls at the coat tails of the mind and makes everyone think that all will be fed and taken care of. When in reality, it cannot be done because of the Hierarchy. There is a ruling class and a working class. Which one are you going to be in. The ruling class, billionaires, millionaires and thousandaires,,,,,,, working class, the poor, disadvantaged, the sick, the hungry and the downtrodden. So-what if some poor soul dies,,,leaves more for the next person..........Right----Yeah,,,I got it.
As far as the money-lenders in the temple, Matthew 21; 13 And He said to them, "It is written, 'MY HOUSE SHALL BE CALLED A HOUSE OF PRAYER'; but you are making it a ROBBERS' DEN."

Have a nice day.
Blade