Are you an atheist? (10 Viewers)

[Rich]

Yes.



Remember Adam and Eve?

Then their children must have been involved in incest, surely a cardinal sin?

 

[Mike375]

The Bible portrays god as the loving father

But the central theme is for the next life.

 

[Rich]

But the central theme is for the next life.

Why not put this one right first?

 

[Alc]

Yes.

So, taken in combination with post #3, you would class yourself as an agnostic who believes that everything in the bible is true?

Why not claim to be a devout atheistic agnostic, and be done with it?

 

[Mike375]

Then their children must have been involved in incest, surely a cardinal sin?

We don't know if there were other women. God pulled Adam and Eve out of the hat.

if you tell me that you met Bill Bloggs on the street corner and mention no one else that does not mean there were not other people on the street corner.

But again, God does not need women/sex to produce people.

 

[Mike375]

Why not put this one right first?

I don't know the mind of God.

But Moses first born is small stuff compared to The Flood.

 

[Rabbie]

So it's entirely true? God's word is true and history is, well, history, so the whole book, in spite of how far fetched it is in places is true?

All people DID come from the first two, in spite of there being no women beyond Eve until the story needed them?
The world WAS created in one week, allowing a day for God to cool down and have a rest?
All animals somehow came from two of each, in spite of the possibility of disease, etc. killing them off and the fact that it is impossible to have gathered two of each animal or to have fitted them onto one vessel?

If you read Genesis there are two conflicting versions of Noah's flood.

Genesis 6:19 "And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark."

Genesis 7:2 "Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female."

Pretty ropey history. Do the maths. how could he load all the animals in and feed them.

 

[Alisa]

We don't know if there were other women. God pulled Adam and Eve out of the hat.

if you tell me that you met Bill Bloggs on the street corner and mention no one else that does not mean there were not other people on the street corner.

But again, God does not need women/sex to produce people.

I get it. God can be imagined to do or be anything we want. Therefore, by definition there are never any contradictions or conflicts.

But I still want to know, how are you supposed to know what god's word is, and how are you supposed to submit to it?

 

[Mike375]

So, taken in combination with post #3, you would class yourself as an agnostic who believes that everything in the bible is true?

Why not claim to be a devout atheistic agnostic, and be done with it?

Did you not see the post I made (Or 2 of them) I made with Rabbie a bit earlier on, might be 2 or 3 pages ago but in this current session we are having

 

[Mike375]

Pretty ropey history. Do the maths. how could he load all the animals in and feed them.

Easy and because He is God.

Absolute child's play for a god that can make the universe.

 

[Mike375]

I get it. God can be imagined to do or be anything we want. Therefore, by definition there are never any contradictions or conflicts.

There are contradictions by our reasoning. Again, no different to the parent forcing the kid to school etc. [/quote]

But I still want to know, how are you supposed to know what god's word is, and how are you supposed to submit to it?

You sure do have trouble with this one.

There is God's teachings. There are events...history if you like.

How can you submit to Peter denying Christ 3 times.

 

[Alc]

If you read Genesis there are two conflicting versions of Noah's flood.

Genesis 6:19 "And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark."

Genesis 7:2 "Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female."

Pretty ropey history. Do the maths. how could he load all the animals in and feed them.

You've got someone creating the whole world in under a week, causing a flood that covers the entire earth yet drains away nicely, creating the whole human race from one person (whom he made) and the key weakness you've spotted is in grain storage?

It's just dawned on me that this is a wind-up. Go back and look at some of Mike's over-the-top racist remarks about aborigines on one of the other threads (definitely not in-keeping with a good little Christian). Or some of his self-contradictory ones on this thread (he starts out agnostic and becomes some kind of devout biblical scholar). It all becomes clear. Still, it was fun while it lasted.

 

[Mike375]

Or some of his self-contradictory ones on this thread (he starts out agnostic and becomes some kind of devout biblical scholar). It all becomes clear. Still, it was fun while it lasted.

Again, check the postings I made with Rabbie a bit earlier.

 

[Alisa]

It's just dawned on me that this is a wind-up. Go back and look at some of Mike's over-the-top racist remarks about aborigines on one of the other threads (definitely not in-keeping with a good little Christian). Or some of his self-contradictory ones on this thread (he starts out agnostic and becomes some kind of devout biblical scholar). It all becomes clear. Still, it was fun while it lasted.

You just figured that out now?

 

[Rabbie]

We don't know if there were other women. God pulled Adam and Eve out of the hat.

if you tell me that you met Bill Bloggs on the street corner and mention no one else that does not mean there were not other people on the street corner.

But again, God does not need women/sex to produce people.

Mike, a friendly word of advice. When you are in a hole stop digging.

Most mainstream Christians do not believe in the literal truth of Genesis. They accept it as a creation myth. They recognize the validity of Evolution as you do in some posts when you are not doing your born-again impersonation. This constant shifting of your argument does not strengthen it as you seem to suppose; it merely weakens it.

 

[Mike375]

Not one of you has yet hit the point that really blows the Christianity to peices.

 

[Alisa]

There is God's teachings. There are events...history if you like.

How can you submit to Peter denying Christ 3 times.

ok, so which parts are god's teachings?

 

[Alc]

You just figured that out now?

Yes.

New baby in the house, so I think I'll put it down to lack of sleep.

 

[Alisa]

Yes.

New baby in the house, so I think I'll put it down to lack of sleep.

You are certainly entitled. Congratulations by the way.

 

[Mike375]

Mike, a friendly word of advice. When you are in a hole stop digging.

Most mainstream Christians do not believe in the literal truth of Genesis. They accept it as a creation myth. They recognize the validity of Evolution as you do in some posts when you are not doing your born-again impersonation. This constant shifting of your argument does not strengthen it as you seem to suppose; it merely weakens it.

Born Agains have a literal belief in the Bible. In fact born agains are very critical of churches and others who run with a watered down version of the Bible.