Trump Administration Predictions (2 Viewers)

[Thales750]

It's interesting how the left keeps trotting out the ancient ones Maxine Waters and Chuck Schumer to battle Elon Musk and his young associates. They don't seem equipped with the mental capacity to understand what's actually happening.

I don't see the connection. I was responding to the part where you blame all the world's woes on Liberal Media. I think it was Rush Hour Rush that first coined that phrase. Talk about repeating lies until they are widely believed.

 

[AccessBlaster]

I don't see the connection. I was responding to the part where you blame all the world's woes on Liberal Media. I think it was Rush Hour Rush that first coined that phrase. Talk about repeating lies until they are widely believed.

These are the conglomerates that control much of what we see. Most of them lean left of center, while only two Fox Corporation and News Corp are generally considered right-leaning.

Comcast Corporation, The Walt Disney Company, Warner Bros. Discovery, Paramount Global, Fox Corporation, News Corp, Sony Entertainment

 

[Thales750]

These are the conglomerates that control much of what we see. Most of them lean left of center, while only two Fox Corporation and News Corp are generally considered right-leaning.

Comcast Corporation, The Walt Disney Company, Warner Bros. Discovery, Paramount Global, Fox Corporation, News Corp, Sony Entertainment

That is such complete nonsense, and a far right conspiracy theory.

 

[Thales750]

Have you tried the Pied Piper Cool Aid yet? They have an orange version that I hear is simply delightful.

I wonder, if after 7 or 8 thousand of these, will the disinters in the ranks finally speak up?

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Trump dodges questions on prices despite claiming he would bring them down on ‘day one’ in office​

I'm guessing, probably not.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

You know, for someone who makes such claims of his own prowess, you might consider believing your spell checker so you can wow the dissenters.

Or you can croak and after a while, we can disinter you to see if you have started to decay yet. If you haven't, then maybe you really ARE a saint.

 

[Thales750]

You know, for someone who makes such claims of his own prowess, you might consider believing your spell checker so you can wow the dissenters.

Or you can croak and after a while, we can disinter you to see if you have started to decay yet. If you haven't, then maybe you really ARE a saint

Thanks for being my spell check Doc, (I fixed it up above) and for the new word.
I don't make claims, I simply convey logical observations, I can't help it that logic alludes some folks.

 

[Isaac]

Yeah he definitely didn't bring prices down, but I fault the saying that he would, rather than the not doing it, because of course he can't do that on day one. He gets too excited saying some of this stuff sometimes. But I'd rather the enthusiasm than Biden, for instance

 

[Thales750]

Yeah he definitely didn't bring prices down, but I fault the saying that he would, rather than the not doing it, because of course he can't do that on day one. He gets too excited saying some of this stuff sometimes. But I'd rather the enthusiasm than Biden, for instance

I was never a Biden fan, but y'alls "news" programs have blamed so much on him that was either out of control of the office of the President, or started during Trump 1.0.

It's sad that propaganda has so much power in this country.

 

[AccessBlaster]

I was never a Biden fan

Everyone says that in retrospect.

but y'alls "news" programs have blamed so much on him that was either out of control of the office of the President, or started during Trump 1.0.

It probably seems that way because more people watch FOX than watch CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC, etc. The public has lost confidence in mainstream media, as they tend to repeat the same talking points, making it easier to spot their agenda.

It's sad that propaganda has so much power in this country.

Propaganda is the currency of influence in a world where perception beats reality, and both sides spend it to push their version of the truth.

 

[Thales750]

Everyone says that in retrospect.

It probably seems that way because more people watch FOX than watch CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC, etc. The public has lost confidence in mainstream media, as they tend to repeat the same talking points, making it easier to spot their agenda.

Propaganda is the currency of influence in a world where perception beats reality, and both sides spend it to push their version of the truth.

I never once said they (both sides) don't. I can tell you this though, people don't hear reinforcements of their preconceived ideas as propaganda. They see it as an affirmation of their intelligence and knowledge, or of their moral superiority.

 

[AccessBlaster]

I never once said they (both sides) don't. I can tell you this though, people don't hear reinforcements of their preconceived ideas as propaganda. They see it as an affirmation of their intelligence and knowledge, or of their moral superiority.

That includes you and everyone reading this. We are all affected by propaganda not just the 'Orange Hitler' side.

 

[Isaac]

I was never a Biden fan, but y'alls "news" programs have blamed so much on him that was either out of control of the office of the President, or started during Trump 1.0.

It's sad that propaganda has so much power in this country.

I personally do realize that not everything is Biden's fault, not everything is a president's fault nor credit.

Still, I was all-too-content to have things blamed on him because I wanted the Democrats to lose.

 

[Isaac]

people don't hear reinforcements of their preconceived ideas as propaganda. They see it as an affirmation of their intelligence and knowledge, or of their moral superiority

an astute observation, but I've discovered (and am thoroughly convinced of this) that it IS possible to force yourself to have an open mind, and then go read stuff from both sides of the 'aisle', and the sum total of that endeavor is to be more and better informed and accurate.

when i do this, one of the ways I test myself to see if it's working is I think well Isaac, you can't be right on every big and little subject, so how often/when's the last time you changed your mind on something based on reading all the viewpoints? If the answer were 'never', or 'almost never', i'd know my method wasn't working. However, my answer comes back 'fairly often' (if I count all subjects great & small), so I think it's working. And from that I may develop a sense of pride in it, but not moral superiority.

honestly, there was a time when I wouldn't have thought it were truly possible to be significantly less biased and learning from a much-less-biased lens. But a lot of what I have learned about humbling one'sself to have a truly open mind despite previous convictions comes from the A.A. program, which is quite a beneficial thing - for anyone really, addictions notwithstanding.

We are all morally bankrupt without God's grace, and we can all accept God's grace any time we choose to - and let me tell you, God will totally make life better!- A lot better

 

[Thales750]

That includes you and everyone reading this. We are all affected by propaganda not just the 'Orange Hitler' side.

I hear all of it as propaganda. You don't hear conservative propaganda as propaganda. You only hear liberal messaging as that.

I've been paying attention to the language of propaganda since the 90s, not the message, the tone. If you don't get anything from this conversation at least get that. There is a difference in the construction of the words, you can train yourself to hear it.

When is the last time you heard any of the crap put out by the morning rush hour talking heads and thought to yourself, "wow, that was propaganda"?

 

[Thales750]

an astute observation, but I've discovered (and am thoroughly convinced of this) that it IS possible to force yourself to have an open mind, and then go read stuff from both sides of the 'aisle', and the sum total of that endeavor is to be more and better informed and accurate.

when i do this, one of the ways I test myself to see if it's working is I think well Isaac, you can't be right on every big and little subject, so how often/when's the last time you changed your mind on something based on reading all the viewpoints? If the answer were 'never', or 'almost never', i'd know my method wasn't working. However, my answer comes back 'fairly often' (if I count all subjects great & small), so I think it's working. And from that I may develop a sense of pride in it, but not moral superiority.

honestly, there was a time when I wouldn't have thought it were truly possible to be significantly less biased and learning from a much-less-biased lens. But a lot of what I have learned about humbling one'sself to have a truly open mind despite previous convictions comes from the A.A. program, which is quite a beneficial thing - for anyone really, addictions notwithstanding.

We are all morally bankrupt without God's grace, and we can all accept God's grace any time we choose to - and let me tell you, God will totally make life better!- A lot better

Thank you, over the last few months, I have engaged in this seemingly fruitless conversation, to get it to this point.

 

[Thales750]

honestly, there was a time when I wouldn't have thought it were truly possible to be significantly less biased and learning from a much-less-biased lens. But a lot of what I have learned about humbling one'sself to have a truly open mind despite previous convictions comes from the A.A. program, which is quite a beneficial thing - for anyone really, addictions notwithstanding.

Yup, friend of Bill here.
36 years in April.

 

[AccessBlaster]

I hear all of it as propaganda. You don't hear conservative propaganda as propaganda. You only hear liberal messaging as that.

I've been paying attention to the language of propaganda since the 90s, not the message, the tone. If you don't get anything from this conversation at least get that. There is a difference in the construction of the words, you can train yourself to hear it.

When is the last time you heard any of the crap put out by the morning rush hour talking heads and thought to yourself, "wow, that was propaganda"?

AccessBlaster said: We are all affected by propaganda not just the 'Orange Hitler' side.

 

[NauticalGent]

That includes you...

 

[NauticalGent]

I hear all of it as propaganda.

No, no you don't...

 

[Thales750]

No, no you don't...

On the economy?I've invited you previously to have a macro economic debate.you always ignore it.