A possible scenario of the next 2 years

[jpl458]

Trump announces on Tuesday that he is running.
He does not get the nomination because of his toxic behavior
Trump, who can't handle defeat, Runs as an independent, or some other political type.
The Republicans lose Huge in 2024 because the party is split.
I base this on the idea that Trump is only loyal to Trump, nobody else matters, unless they are for him, and for only as long as they are for him.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

To be honest, I cannot dispute that Trump could split the vote and that he is toxicly narcissistic. I only voted the way I did to vote AGAINST Hillary, who was even MORE toxic in a totally different way.

 

[jpl458]

To be honest, I cannot dispute that Trump could split the vote and that he is toxicly narcissistic. I only voted the way I did to vote AGAINST Hillary, who was even MORE toxic in a totally different way.

I don't think Hillary would have done the damage that Trump did and does. I think she was opportunistic and self absorbed, and her marriage to Bill was more of an opportunity than a marriage. Trump, will act out, that if he going down, he is going to take everyone with him. Look at how he treats those the don't accomplish the things he wants them to do. He tries to crush them ("I had the FBI investigate Desantis in 2018".) I also think that he has no choice in how he acts, it's not a conscious effort, it's the way he is wired. He is not a team player, he can't be. I used be a Republican, and would be again if rationality returned to the Party. I really agree with you and your stance on social issues. I think you are spot on in that regard.

I believe he will announce he is running and deliver Georgia to the Democrats, because he has no choice because of the hole on his character that is the size of the Grand Canyon.

Other than that, he's a hell of a guy.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Hillary was in the pocket of Big Pharma and had already showed her true colors in Benghazi. Also, her mail server shenanigans absolutely nauseated me due to having been involved with U.S. Navy issues for years such that I had to be closely familiar with the rules on handling classified (and higher) documents. I was furious at the time and could not respect her. DJT didn't win friends and positively influence people with the pile of classified documents at Mar-a-Lago, but that came long after HRC's debacle.

If you think Medicare was screwed up before, Hillary would have paved the way for a massive increase in Big Pharma profits as opposed to the move that panicked the major drug companies - the ability to go international in drug bulk purchases and the ability to force negotiations on drug prices.

 

[jpl458]

Hillary was in the pocket of Big Pharma and had already showed her true colors in Benghazi. Also, her mail server shenanigans absolutely nauseated me due to having been involved with U.S. Navy issues for years such that I had to be closely familiar with the rules on handling classified (and higher) documents. I was furious at the time and could not respect her. DJT didn't win friends and positively influence people with the pile of classified documents at Mar-a-Lago, but that came long after HRC's debacle.

If you think Medicare was screwed up before, Hillary would have paved the way for a massive increase in Big Pharma profits as opposed to the move that panicked the major drug companies - the ability to go international in drug bulk purchases and the ability to force negotiations on drug prices.

Hillary is out of the picture forever. Trump is here and now. I don't understand why the two are always referred to together, if something negative is said about Trump.

 

[MarkK]

The current American system is a government of the money, by the money, for the money, and until that power returns to the hands of the people, we are going to see a continuous deterioration of integrity in the system. Trump is only a reflection of this truth. News is now a product to be bought and sold. Opinion is a commodity available for purchase to the highest bidder. First thing you need to be elected to office in US government? Millions upon millions of dollars. Only after you raise millions upon millions of dollars will voting matter. So who ends up being available to be voted for? Money decides. Then you vote.

In 2016 the United States elected a pathetic rudderless game-show host to the highest office in the land. You want to know why? Read the previous paragraph again.

 

[jpl458]

I can't disagree with anything you wrote. Ever since the Court said that a corporation was a person, and the lid was lifted off donations, it's been down hill. It's been documented, somewhere, that if you are in congress you spend the vast majority of your time raising money, not governing, not legislating. There has to a be a limit on political donations, we have to get the money out of politics. But as I remember, it was my former party that was responsible for opening the cash flood gates, but don't hear the Democrats complaining about it either. Robin Williams had a cute idea, that whenever a Senator or Congressman spoke in public, they would have to wear a NASCAR like outfit that has all of their donors smeared all over the suit. The font size related to the amount donated. In addition, look at the income disparity. CEOs make way to much as well.

 

[Steve R.]

I don't think Hillary would have done the damage that Trump did and does.

Wrong, in terms of serving the interests of the US. Hillary, like Biden, would have continued with Obama's "transforming" of the US into a corrupt third world nation political system and implementing globalist policies. The precursor indications were that the Obama administration used the power-of-the-state to cripple the Trump administration before it was even inaugurated. So it is easy to imagine that Hillary, had she been elected, would have continued those established destructive policies. Now Biden is continuing with using the power-of-the-state to cripple conservatives. The Democratic party, to which H. Clinton is attached to is corrupt and moving this country towards a Soviet style "democracy" (dictatorship). This continues to be demonstrated through the Biden administration. Democrats are the threat to democracy.

In terms of serving the interests of a political party, the Democrats (like the Borg) march in lockstep, so Hillary would not damage the Democratic party. Republicans, however, are more independent than Democrats, so you have the likes of John McCain and Ron DeSantis willing to challenge other Republicans. Regretfully, Trump's team building skills seem lacking. To make matters worse, Democrats have successfully created, on the public stage, a caricature of Trump as a toxic individual. This has metastasized into "Trump Derangement Syndrome". Trump, may be an unpredictable wildcard easy to dislike, but he did his personal best to make America Great Again.

 

[jpl458]

Wrong, in terms of serving the interests of the US. Hillary, like Biden, would have continued with Obama's "transforming" of the US into a corrupt third world nation political system and implementing globalist policies. The precursor indications were that the Obama administration used the power-of-the-state to cripple the Trump administration before it was even inaugurated. So it is easy to imagine that Hillary, had she been elected, would have continued those established destructive policies. Now Biden is continuing with using the power-of-the-state to cripple conservatives. The Democratic party, to which H. Clinton is attached to is corrupt and moving this country towards a Soviet style "democracy" (dictatorship). This continues to be demonstrated through the Biden administration. Democrats are the threat to democracy.

In terms of serving the interests of a political party, the Democrats (like the Borg) march in lockstep, so Hillary would not damage the Democratic party. Republicans, however, are more independent than Democrats, so you have the likes of John McCain and Ron DeSantis willing to challenge other Republicans. Regretfully, Trump's team building skills seem lacking. To make matters worse, Democrats have successfully created, on the public stage, a caricature of Trump as a toxic individual. This has metastasized into "Trump Derangement Syndrome". Trump, may be an unpredictable wildcard easy to dislike, but he did his personal best to make America Great Again.

Wrong, in terms of serving the interests of the US. Hillary, like Biden, would have continued with Obama's "transforming" of the US into a corrupt third world nation political system and implementing globalist policies. The precursor indications were that the Obama administration used the power-of-the-state to cripple the Trump administration before it was even inaugurated. So it is easy to imagine that Hillary, had she been elected, would have continued those established destructive policies. Now Biden is continuing with using the power-of-the-state to cripple conservatives. The Democratic party, to which H. Clinton is attached to is corrupt and moving this country towards a Soviet style "democracy" (dictatorship). This continues to be demonstrated through the Biden administration. Democrats are the threat to democracy.

In terms of serving the interests of a political party, the Democrats (like the Borg) march in lockstep, so Hillary would not damage the Democratic party. Republicans, however, are more independent than Democrats, so you have the likes of John McCain and Ron DeSantis willing to challenge other Republicans. Regretfully, Trump's team building skills seem lacking. To make matters worse, Democrats have successfully created, on the public stage, a caricature of Trump as a toxic individual. This has metastasized into "Trump Derangement Syndrome". Trump, may be an unpredictable wildcard easy to dislike, but he did his personal best to make America Great Again.

You have proof of this?

 

[Steve R.]

You have proof of this?

Opinion derived from anecdotal evidence and inductive reasoning.

 

[jpl458]

Opinion derived from anecdotal evidence and inductive reasoning.

Opinion is the operative word.

 

[Steve R.]

Opinion is the operative word.

And that is all you presented in your post.

 

[Isaac]

Trump announces on Tuesday that he is running.
He does not get the nomination because of his toxic behavior
Trump, who can't handle defeat, Runs as an independent, or some other political type.
The Republicans lose Huge in 2024 because the party is split.
I base this on the idea that Trump is only loyal to Trump, nobody else matters, unless they are for him, and for only as long as they are for him.

I agree ... An awful nightmare all too likely.

GO AWAY TRUMP YOU'RE MAKING US LOSE well, I shouldn't say that too much, we did win after all just not as big as we thought we would.
The point is he really needs to go away and let DeSantis bring us to victory which could easily be done certainly against Biden. Trump may be the only human being who could lose to Biden in 2024.

 

[Galaxiom]

The current American system is a government of the money, by the money, for the money, and until that power returns to the hands of the people, we are going to see a continuous deterioration of integrity in the system.

The first step in the right direction would be a preferential voting system. The way it is now there is no point voting for anyone other than from the two major political parties because any other vote is wasted.

 

[Steve R.]

GO AWAY TRUMP YOU'RE MAKING US LOSE well, I shouldn't say that too much, we did win after all just not as big as we thought we would.
The point is he really needs to go away and let DeSantis bring us to victory which could easily be done certainly against Biden. Trump may be the only human being who could lose to Biden in 2024.

Time for younger politicians, such as DeSantis, to take the lead.
Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) is real. Covid has been used as a lame excuse to justify the unilateral imposition of many onerous questionably "legal" tactics to "manage" the populace. An unfortunate, repercussion of TDS was the election of Biden, a corrupt, plagiarist, lying incompetent person who didn't even do the work of campaigning. These very same unethical and crooked tactics would be aggressively redeployed to take-out Trump. The Republican agenda would become "lost" in the resultant cacophony of personal attacks.

Considering these factors, Trump, in the interests of Making America Great Again, should put aside his ego (if that is possible) and get behind the younger rising stars in the Republican party. Democrats are the threat to democracy.

 

[Pat Hartman]

Florida needs DeSantis. WE need DeSantis to lead Florida. As we saw with Trump, 4 years isn't enough to make the path firm. It isn't Trump that causes the chaos, it is the media. I'm not sure DeSantis has tough enough skin for what he would go through as the candidate, let alone as president. He get's a lot of flack in Florida and he's pretty good at deflecting. I look forward to voting for him in 2028. I would have preferred that Trump not run but I don't want DeSantis to lose to him in a primary.

 

[Steve R.]

Consider this supposed neutral article below an example of how the media subtly spins a narrative to throw shade on Trump.

Trump announces 2024 presidential bid; here are stocks that might benefit

Former President Donald Trump announced a third run for the White House Tuesday night - setting up a two-year fight for the heart of the Republican Party

seekingalpha.com

It would be remiss to skip over Rupert Murdoch's media empire, including Fox News (FOX) (FOXA) and Wall Street Journal owner News Corp. (NWS) (NWSA). Trump and Murdoch's media were closely intertwined during the Trump presidency, and Trump made frequent call-in appearances to shows including Fox & Friends and Hannity. Recently, Murdoch's papers and stations have demonstrated that turn away from Trump after the midterm disappointment - the New York Post ran a post-election cartoon cover of "Trumpty Dumpty" - but having a Trump race to cover again could be a difference-maker for newspapers and programs that often made Trump their No. 1 story. (emphasis added)

What is remiss in not highlighting that the likes of the Washington Post, New York Times, and social media are fully "intertwined" with the Democratic party to the point that they are the propaganda arm of the Democratic party. Since Seeking Alpha raised this issue, ethically they should have also covered how the media has positively fawned all-over the Democratic candidates and their spouses. (A very subtle method of tilting an election to favor one candidate over another.)

An interesting thought, Democrats, it appears have used the strategy of funding Republican candidates in primary races who they believe will lose in the general elections. Does that mean that the Democratic party will now fund Trump in the primaries?
After all, Democrats have preference poles that supposedly project that Biden would win the Presidency again over Trump.

 

[ColinEssex]

Biden can't win the next election because its the republicans turn to undo what the previous administration did. Can't wait for the orange clown to win, should be a good laugh. Maybe he'll stir up another riot if he has one of his tantrums. You'd better tell your sons and daughters to get ready to smash up Congress again.
Col

 

[AccessBlaster]

Can't wait for the orange clown to win, should be a good laugh.
Col

You seem to agree with his policies especially the ones concerning voting.

 

[Pat Hartman]

There were several Fox programs i had on permanent record during the week but once Murdoch got Stuart Varney to bad mouth Trump (he never liked Trump anyway but he tried to be neutral), I decided it was time to cut them off so I cancelled all Fox records except for Tucker Carlson and Mark Levin. Neither of them ever really liked Trump but they were at least fair and didn't repeat the "talking points".