Are you an atheist?

[Galaxiom]

Other than relying on religious texts written long after his supposed death, can you point out any evidence he existed? Any physical evidence found that isn't linked to some conspiracy website? Anything recognized by any trusted archeological sources? Same with any other prophets for that matter.

Mohammed existed. He is the only "prophet" for which there is any evidence.

However he didn't actually do anything special. No miracles at all. That is why the Jews declined to recognise his status as a prophet, prompting him to start his own religion.

He just ranted on like a mad man. Read the Qu'ran and you will see he repeated things over and over. His behaviour was entirely consistent with someone experiencing epileptic seizures of the temporal lobes of the brain.

 

[Rabbie]

Mohammed existed. He is the only "prophet" for which there is any evidence.

However he didn't actually do anything special. No miracles at all. That is why the Jews declined to recognise his status as a prophet, prompting him to start his own religion.

He just ranted on like a mad man. Read the Qu'ran and you will see he repeated things over and over. His behaviour was entirely consistent with someone experiencing epileptic seizures of the temporal lobes of the brain.

It would be interesting if you could link to the evidence that Mohammed existed. The we could jut just how reliable the evidence is

 

[Bladerunner]

QUOTE=Rabbie;1317133]It would be interesting if you could link to the evidence that Mohammed existed. The we could jut just how reliable the evidence is[/QUOTE]


Oh, he lived. There are three parts to the Koran You have to read all of them to finally realize just what kind of man he really was. Ruthless warrior, Polygamy (married a 13 year old) and then wrote about killing everyone who did not believe in him or his God.

Jesus lived as well and it is well documented. If you want a historical (only) reading of Jesus, purchase on line the "Killing of Jesus". No, it does not have anything religious about it but is a historical documentary of Jesus Christ and the Roman Empire.

One other thing, My friend "Glaxiom" always refers to "Abraham's God" that killed without pity, etc. Yet in the New Testament (written AD), Jesus Christ speaks of nothing but "Love" and "forgiveness". It does not say to Kill non-believers but rather teach them about the word and love of Jesus Christ.

Christmas (December 25th) in the christian community is celebrated as the Birth of Jesus Christ.. Yes, I know it is probably not the exact day he was born but it is a day of celebration. By all accounts, I should have quit while I was ahead a while ago buuuuuuuut

I do want to wish everyone on Access World Forums a "Merry Christmas" and hope that you and your families (regardless of how you believe) have a safe and happy Holiday Season.

and To All A Good Night :>)

Bladerunner

p.s. To All , Thanks for all your help throughout the year in my endeavor to understand and learn Access.

 

[Brianwarnock]

Rabbie
There was a three part series called The Life of Mohammed on BBC earlier this year. It featured interviews with history and religious "experts" talking about his life. He did not appear to be quite as bad as Bladerunner paints , but was certainly a man of his time.

Brian

 

[Galaxiom]

[Mohammad] did not appear to be quite as bad as Bladerunner paints , but was certainly a man of his time.

Exactly. The world was a much cruder place. I have little doubt that some of the social policies instigated under religious rules had immediate benefits for many people at a time when nasty people got away with anything.

Where religion and indeed any other political philosophy oversteps the mark is the point where they insist that an oligarchy is able to decree the absolute truth of all matters through a divine inspiration that cannot be questioned.

Absolute rule is the foundation tenet of fascism and it is fundamental to the structure of the monotheistic faiths.

 

[Dick7Access]

Exactly. The world was a much cruder place. I have little doubt that some of the social policies instigated under religious rules had immediate benefits for many people at a time when nasty people got away with anything.

Where religion and indeed any other political philosophy oversteps the mark is the point where they insist that an oligarchy is able to decree the absolute truth of all matters through a divine inspiration that cannot be questioned.

Absolute rule is the foundation tenet of fascism and it is fundamental to the structure of the monotheistic faiths.

Point well made

 

[ColinEssex]

It would be interesting if you could link to the evidence that Mohammed existed. The we could jut just how reliable the evidence is

It would be interesting if someone could produce evidence that Jesus existed, instead of relying on heresay and folklore and the writings of a probably drunk scribe.Its a bit like believing in Santa Claus yet knowing deep down its is all a sham.

Religion is no different yet millions worldwide believe it to be true, what actually possesses usually sane people to believe such obvious claptrap? Religion turns them from normal people into religious freaks.

Col

 

[Bladerunner]

It would be interesting if someone could produce evidence that Jesus existed, instead of relying on heresay and folklore and the writings of a probably drunk scribe.Its a bit like believing in Santa Claus yet knowing deep down its is all a sham.

Religion is no different yet millions worldwide believe it to be true, what actually possesses usually sane people to believe such obvious claptrap? Religion turns them from normal people into religious freaks.

Col

which includes you Colin because Atheism is a religion. No different that any other religion and closer to Islam than anything else.

Hope you have a Happy Holiday Season :>)

Bladerunner:

 

[Bladerunner]

Exactly. The world was a much cruder place. I have little doubt that some of the social policies instigated under religious rules had immediate benefits for many people at a time when nasty people got away with anything.

Where religion and indeed any other political philosophy oversteps the mark is the point where they insist that an oligarchy is able to decree the absolute truth of all matters through a divine inspiration that cannot be questioned.

Absolute rule is the foundation tenet of fascism and it is fundamental to the structure of the monotheistic faiths.

My friend Glaxom: What about your religious views. You do know that Atheism is a religion not different from the rest. You are simply preaching a religion just like I put forth Christianity With One exception, Atheism leans toward Islam in how it and you are very intolerant of other religions.

My friend,,, Hope you have a Happy Holiday Season

Bladerunner

 

[Bladerunner]

Rabbie
There was a three part series called The Life of Mohammed on BBC earlier this year. It featured interviews with history and religious "experts" talking about his life. He did not appear to be quite as bad as Bladerunner paints , but was certainly a man of his time.

Brian

Hi Brain: There are 3 books (Hadith, Sira and Koran (Quran). you have to reference each to get the full picture of what kind of person Mohammed was. Below, I have included a zip file of direct quotes from the Koran, Hadith and Sira.

Isam is a very intolerant religion. It is also more that a religion. It is a Government, SI know that Social Justice and religion all in one.


Have a Happy Holiday Season :>)

View attachment Koranzip.zip
Bladerunner

 

[Bladerunner]

Exactly. The world was a much cruder place. I have little doubt that some of the social policies instigated under religious rules had immediate benefits for many people at a time when nasty people got away with anything.

Where religion and indeed any other political philosophy oversteps the mark is the point where they insist that an oligarchy is able to decree the absolute truth of all matters through a divine inspiration that cannot be questioned.

Absolute rule is the foundation tenet of fascism and it is fundamental to the structure of the monotheistic faiths.

Glaxiom: I have heard that in Australia they are erecting or have erected a building or a "church" in the name of Atheism Is this correct? If so, what are the rules, I might want to join or maybe not?



have a nice day :>)


Bladeruuner

 

[Bladerunner]

It would be interesting if someone could produce evidence that Jesus existed, instead of relying on heresay and folklore and the writings of a probably drunk scribe.Its a bit like believing in Santa Claus yet knowing deep down its is all a sham.

Religion is no different yet millions worldwide believe it to be true, what actually possesses usually sane people to believe such obvious claptrap? Religion turns them from normal people into religious freaks.

Col

I give you the book published by Bill O'Reilly
that he researched about Jesus of Nazareth. He was real and your denial of him, his history with the Roman empire is something I don't understand. Here is the Url for the book. "Killing Jesus" a very telling book. As I said, there is NOTHING religious in it. It is strictly a historical record.

http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&ke...ooks&hvadid=3017768378&ref=pd_sl_6czwak26pf_e

Have a nice Holiday Season :>)

Bladerunner

 

[Brianwarnock]

All of the definitions of religion that I have read put the belief in a supreme being as a requirement in the first definition, and if giving other definitions refer to an organised body of people, thus I do not see how atheism can fall into the definition of a religion.


Sample
Definition of religion from dictionary .com, there are others similar.
1.
a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2.
a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3.
the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.

I have mentioned earlier in the thread that I am an agnostic in that I cannot prove that there is or is not a supreme being, just like everybody else actually. What I cannot accept is the full teachings of any of the religions that I have come across or read about.

I do wonder , if there is a supreme being that wants us to believe in him/her , why is it such a poor communicator.

Brian

 

[nanscombe]

There might be a powerful being, who created the Earth, out there but what happens if others of their kind turn up?

Would he cease to be the God, and simply become a god, or just a powerful alien who would likely be feared, resisted and fought.

 

[Vassago]

I do wonder , if there is a supreme being that wants us to believe in him/her , why is it such a poor communicator.

Brian

Talking bushes that are on fire aren't enough for you?

I'm Agnostic for all the same reasons. I don't believe in a "god" so much as I do that there is something after death. Energy doesn't die, it just changes shape. What that shape is, we'll have to wait and see.

 

[ColinEssex]

which includes you Colin because Atheism is a religion.

Blade, you really crack me up. That is a typically American reply.

Anyway, that aside, just a couple of points, why doesn't anyone mention the devil, hell and eternal damnation in a fiery inferno, I believe that is also mentioned in the fairy tale bible.

This thread will sadly drone on and on. The one hundred percent certain factor is that the two most evil things on earth will ultimately bring an end to mankind.
Those two powerful evils are guns and religion. Religion is the worst evil known to man.

Col

 

[Bladerunner]

Blade, you really crack me up. That is a typically American reply.

Anyway, that aside, just a couple of points, why doesn't anyone mention the devil, hell and eternal damnation in a fiery inferno, I believe that is also mentioned in the fairy tale bible.

This thread will sadly drone on and on. The one hundred percent certain factor is that the two most evil things on earth will ultimately bring an end to mankind.
Those two powerful evils are guns and religion. Religion is the worst evil known to man.

Col

Brian: The bible teaches us that God and God alone hands out judgement. I personally try not to judge anyone but I too have my weaknesses, after all I am just a man. However, it is evident that you and others are well aware of the consequences of sin. In this case you are preaching to the choir.

I disagree that guns and religion are our worst enemies. Hate, Envy and Greed are our worst enemies. Without them there would be no need for guns. Most all the religions of the world including Atheism would simply not have a reason to exist anymore with the exception of Christianity that promotes love of your fellow man. Why do you think so many religions including Atheism want to get rid of Christianity?

Have a nice evening Brian :>)

Bladerunner

 

[Bladerunner]

Brian: The bible teaches us that God and God alone hands out judgement. I personally try not to judge anyone but I too have my weaknesses, after all I am just a man. However, it is evident that you and others are well aware of the consequences of sin. In this case you are preaching to the choir.

I disagree that guns and religion are our worst enemies. Hate, Envy and Greed are our worst enemies. Without them there would be no need for guns. Most all the religions of the world including Atheism would simply not have a reason to exist anymore with the exception of Christianity that promotes love of your fellow man. Why do you think so many religions including Atheism want to get rid of Christianity?

Have a nice evening Brian :>)

Bladerunner

My apologies Collin for calling you Brian. I must had a brain fart or something. Again I apologize.
Bladerunner

 

[Dick7Access]

I was going to stay out of this but it is too compelling. I am Christian.
Born into French Canadian Catholic family in the United Sates.
At 12 year of I started drinking. Until Iwas34 years old my life was a Constant Wine, Women, and song. That night when the star shine and
Explode and the bells ring its wonderful. The next mornings always worse than the last. How many little girls did I ruin their day, month year or life. I knew two years later committed suicide

I looked into lots of other religions. At 35 I became a Baptist preacher. For the most I enjoy my life. I get to travel all over the US and a few foreign countries and get paid for it
I believe everything I preach, what I preach comes from the KJV Bible. I have lost count on how people I have help. I don’t try to force anybody to believe what I do.. I show them what the Bible says, and how that have helped me/
In the finial end. if the atheist are right I will not know as I will turn to dirt. HOWEVER!!!!, ATHEIST WILL Know!!!! I was right. , boy will thy know

 

[Brianwarnock]

My apologies Collin for calling you Brian. I must had a brain fart or something. Again I apologize.
Bladerunner

Why do you apologise for paying Col a compliment?

Brian