Coronavirus - are we all doomed?

I also read somewhere that the possibility of it being a bio weapon is high and for some reason it's been spread out.
well you have to realize Tera, that government entities are extremely stupid. and corporations are very slick and intelligent. they will do anything to earn billions. and thus, you have massive computer networks that exist all over the world now, strictly because the people who set them up were seeking billions in profits. so if I were you, I wouldn't put it past any government in the entire world to try and put an effort out there to control the population. that's a very real possibility. corporations and governments are always fighting.

but the only thing I ever heard was that the source of the virus was caused by China, and some say it was the fault of people over there eating bats. no idea if that is true, but this image DID show up on facebook, so ya never know....

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@Tera, our news and my network searches all suggest that it was in China at least as early as December of 2019. The epidemiology also suggests that it came through bats, some of whom bit pangolins. Since that animal (a.k.a. scaly anteater) is considered as a food animal in China, people who went out to get them for the open-air markets likely picked up the virus that way; perhaps if nothing else, through carelessness in food preparation. That is one man's opinion based on a lot of net searches.

I don't think it is a USA germ warfare attack. China is notorious for disinformation-spreading and didn't also want to be know for disease-spreading. When I was still employed by the Navy and had a security clearance, there were briefings. I cannot offer details because they remain classified, but I can say that we WERE presented with compelling evidence that China uses all sorts of indirect methods to wage a modern type of warfare on the USA. For them to blame us for corona virus is, shall I put it this way: not unexpected.

Side note: I saw earlier that you had put several people on ignore. I hope you see this.
 
China uses all sorts of indirect methods to wage a modern type of warfare on the USA
richard,

would you call this evidence that they, and russia, are also at war with companies like facebook in the usa, by way of proxy sniffing? just like facebook is doing?



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I don't think it is a USA germ warfare attack. China is notorious for disinformation-spreading and didn't also want to be know for disease-spreading. When I was still employed by the Navy and had a security clearance, there were briefings. I cannot offer details because they remain classified, but I can say that we WERE presented with compelling evidence that China uses all sorts of indirect methods to wage a modern type of warfare on the USA. For them to blame us for corona virus is, shall I put it this way: not unexpected.

No body believed what they said. Even the person who was reading the news in NHK (Japan's main TV chanel) was smiling while reading their announcement. No one took it seriously. For us it was just as a joke.

Side note: I saw earlier that you had put several people on ignore. I hope you see this.
I explained it here why I changed my mind
 
Gent, I saw a graph on television that suggested Italy's death toll was slowing, the curve has not begun to flatten but slowing anything has to be good.
 
richard,
would you call this evidence that they, and russia, are also at war with companies like facebook in the usa, by way of proxy sniffing? just like facebook is doing?

It's out of the scope of corona virus (this thread). Stop high jacking please. If you're eager to know, start another thread and ask your question there.
Thanks for your understanding.
 
Gent, I saw a graph on television that suggested Italy's death toll was slowing, the curve has not begun to flatten but slowing anything has to be good.
It did for two days (not by much) and then spiked and set a new record of +700. Crazy...
 
My family feels like we had it back in December..still coughing btw. I almost feel like I need to get it, so I can be done with it. o_O
 
It's out of the scope of corona virus (this thread). Stop high jacking please. If you're eager to know, start another thread and ask your question there.
Thanks for your understanding.
i've noticed this seriousness among you guys. that's one of the other reasons I don't like developing access apps anymore. too many overly-serious people work with it. the fun people are elsewhere. =(
 
I admit I went far afield trying to educate Adam to forum courtesy, Tera, and understand why it got a bit much for you. However, I have decided to let Adam show his true colors on his own. I believe he is incorrigible. I'm sure he feels the same way about me. I can live with that.

Back to the thread, I saw some articles that suggest that in the open-air markets of Wuhan, one way to decide if a pangolin is fresh is to lick it. Since I don't eat pangolin, I must admit lack of personal knowledge on this one. But if one is infected, it surely hasn't been thoroughly cleaned yet. If that report is true, then it provides a link in the chain between bats and people. I am also saddened to hear that apparently, dogs can get it too. Which makes this a really NASTY strain if it can infect four different species.

Here in south Louisiana, we have open-air food markets, particularly in New Orleans East, which includes a Vietnamese refugee community that started out during the fall of Saigon in the 1970s. They usually carry things that you wouldn't "taste test." For instance, nutria and alligator meat, crawfish (Fr. ecrevisse), turtle, and fresh-caught fish. Plus, of course, stuff from some vegetable gardens or fruit trees. In fact, it's one of the few places in the area where you can get fresh dragon-fruit.

Our local outbreaks haven't been around those markets, though. They are centered on nursing homes, which means that our "hot spots" are iatrogenic - i.e. caused by being around sick people in a hospital-like situation. We have at least three nursing homes in the city limits and another one in a suburban community on the north shore of our Lake Ponchartrain. Lambeth House has had nine deaths so far and has at least 17 other residents who have been confirmed to have the virus.

I am sad that my mother-in-law passed away in 2018, but at least she was spared the craziness that would have gone around in her nursing home at this time. If she were still alive, she would have stressed herself into a heart attack because her problems were physical. Her mind was intact and she would have known what was going on. I think from the person side of this, the toughest part for people with relatives in nursing homes is that as a matter of isolation, or as a matter of actual quarantine and containment, visits to nursing homes are being restricted right now. So folks can't visit their loved ones and those loved ones can't get "face time" with their families. THAT isolation is probably the hardest part for the elderly in such homes.
 
If I get it, will I be immune not to get it again?

I saw an interview with an epidemiologist on CBS News a couple of days ago who was asked that exact question. I will SUMMARIZE:

It is too soon to know. Almost certainly, you will develop antibodies to protect you against the disease. What is not known is how long they would remain effective, because antibodies have different "lifetimes" for different diseases. Some diseases can be immunized by vaccines for a lifetime of immunity. There are others that are only good for five or ten years. E.g. the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine is supposedly a lifetime thing, whereas tetanus is something like 10 years.

Stepping away from that interview, I get the idea that there is only one way to know how long corona immunity is granted by such antibodies. If we want to know if the antibodies are good for five years, then five years have to elapse.
 
would you call this evidence that they, and russia, are also at war with companies like facebook in the usa, by way of proxy sniffing?

Trivial solution: Stay off the internet.
 
It came from an animal (I forget which one) that is part of the Chinese consumer market. As if that's not bad enough, this animal is an endangered species. At least that's what I saw on my tv news. If anyone cares to know, the news channel I watch usually gets awards every year for excellence in reporting and such, which is more than you can say about some. So I tend to believe what I see and hear there.

If anything, we have the Chinese government and their attempts to bury this when it started to thank for our situation. What a perfect propaganda tool to deflect blame - blame it another country.
 
ok you guys,

maybe I was a bit harsh in my assessment of you. for that, I do apologize. but what I'm saying, is that software dev. is so damn easy nowadays, why not have a little bit of fun with it? I mean, seriously, one doesn't even need to know how to add 2 and 2 to write a successful application. and that's just a pathetic consequence of human greed. =(
 

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